Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Help & tips > Transportation/driving  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #41  
Old 20.07.2011, 16:20
V__'s Avatar
V__ V__ is offline
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Lausanne
Posts: 1,511
Groaned at 384 Times in 215 Posts
Thanked 2,082 Times in 866 Posts
V__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Second hand cars with no MFK

Yes, I think so too, I will go for a car with MFK as I really don't want to be stuck in the process.

The garage mentioned above offered it for 3500 with MFK included. I don't think they would go below that. Anyway, here are my options now, if I act fast and want to get something in the next days:

Option one is: E230 kombi with 290.000km, petrol, 1997, automatic and rear wheel drive, no service book, a bit of rust near the wheels, current MFK price 1990 CHF.

Option two is: E280 kombi with 260.000km, petrol, 1997, automatic and 4MATIC drive, no photos yet but said to be in a very good state, 2500 CHF for the car plus 1000 CHF for the MFK so 3500 total, them putting it through MFK and fixing stuff like the suspension (but nothing specific, couldn't understand)

Option two probably is better even if it's almost 50% more expensive as it has the all wheel drive and that is really important for a big car as this one driving it in the mountains...

Think I will have to go tomorrow maybe as it is late today and check them both...2000 CHF is indeed cheap, and it seems maybe too cheap. Both have no warranty in end but...
Reply With Quote
  #42  
Old 20.07.2011, 16:43
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Vaud
Posts: 2,894
Groaned at 97 Times in 46 Posts
Thanked 1,932 Times in 921 Posts
Anthony1406 has a reputation beyond reputeAnthony1406 has a reputation beyond reputeAnthony1406 has a reputation beyond reputeAnthony1406 has a reputation beyond reputeAnthony1406 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Second hand cars with no MFK

the 4 matic is known to be a big headache and expensive on these cars if not properly maintained (just fyi)
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Anthony1406 for this useful post:
  #43  
Old 20.07.2011, 16:55
V__'s Avatar
V__ V__ is offline
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Lausanne
Posts: 1,511
Groaned at 384 Times in 215 Posts
Thanked 2,082 Times in 866 Posts
V__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Second hand cars with no MFK

I would imagine, the reason I chose this model is for durability first, price, quite modern and safe, but also because I have noticed that is driven mostly by "soccer moms" around, which means these cars (or most of them) got a fairly light usage (no hard driving) and regular maintenance with Mercedes dealers or garages. So, it should be OK as I plan to do regular checks and repairs in official garages in DE and FR.
Reply With Quote
  #44  
Old 21.07.2011, 18:40
V__'s Avatar
V__ V__ is offline
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Lausanne
Posts: 1,511
Groaned at 384 Times in 215 Posts
Thanked 2,082 Times in 866 Posts
V__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Second hand cars with no MFK

A bit of update.

Yesterday I contacted a Mercedes dealer for a car, E280, 300.000 km, good state. On the phone they told me the price for the car: 3000 and if I wanted them to do the MFK for me I can get that for additional 1000. The car needed some work on the suspension to pass the test. OK, sounds good I decide to see the car as it was 50km away from where I live.

Go there, see the car, talk to the mechanic, very nice guy, I start the car, see the fumes are normal in the back, the car indeed seems in a good condition, let's check that suspension...He tells me there is some oil leakage from the spring, but it can be fixed....I am not very optimistic about that, I turn the wheel all the way to the left to see the marks on the thread...What do I see, very recent, not so deep but very consistent usage on the tire spreading from the right edge and 2 cm wide...That is from irregular pressure on the tire, I check the other, same story but the mark is on the left...So the suspension indeed is giving up and it's pushing down on the tires in the middle.

That is definitely no good. But as I am already here I took it for a test drive... Engine seems to be in a immaculate state, transmission also... Breaking hard to check the brakes and I hear rumbling sound from the rear right wheel. That is an issue also.

I go back to the owner and talk to see where we stand. I ask him about these things (and they come only with 5 minutes around the car, imagine if you search for more?) and he says the car was bought here, always maintained by the book, great state but a bit of issues...

I know already I don't want the car but I am trying to see how far we can go. I offer the 3500 for MFKd car, he says it can be big work, very expensive on the suspension...I am positive, I say it's no problem, tell me how much and I will pay. Than he says it's better for me to take it to a independent garage where they put not-original parts and it will cost me less. He will even bring the car for free to the other garage or my home as I don't have plates yet.

OK, where's the candid camera? This must be a joke, a Mercedes dealership that don't want to service their own car?

Furthermore, he explained to me that I should try to clean and wash the spring on the suspension where there are traces of oil and this way I have big chance to pass the MFK by myself. And I can have the car for 2000.

The car is definitely a lemon.

I am not bothered by him trying to sell me a lemon, but lying to me yesterday on the phone that he will provide MFK and wasting my time to go there to tell me all this BS was definitely not fair.

If anyone wonders, the garage is Garage du Pavement in Payerne.
Reply With Quote
  #45  
Old 21.07.2011, 20:44
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Vaud
Posts: 2,894
Groaned at 97 Times in 46 Posts
Thanked 1,932 Times in 921 Posts
Anthony1406 has a reputation beyond reputeAnthony1406 has a reputation beyond reputeAnthony1406 has a reputation beyond reputeAnthony1406 has a reputation beyond reputeAnthony1406 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Second hand cars with no MFK

well having done 300k I wouldnt call it a lemon....
the tires could be simply alignment out of order or tie rod ends.As for new shocks : http://www.pkwteile.de/autoteile-suc...74&carId=12580
.So if you find the suspension and have the work done in another garage it might still be an ok deal in the end
Reply With Quote
  #46  
Old 21.07.2011, 21:03
V__'s Avatar
V__ V__ is offline
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Lausanne
Posts: 1,511
Groaned at 384 Times in 215 Posts
Thanked 2,082 Times in 866 Posts
V__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Second hand cars with no MFK

Quote:
View Post
well having done 300k I wouldnt call it a lemon....
the tires could be simply alignment out of order or tie rod ends.As for new shocks : http://www.pkwteile.de/autoteile-suc...74&carId=12580
.So if you find the suspension and have the work done in another garage it might still be an ok deal in the end
The thread was very deep, consistent,sharp on the edges and concentrated over small area, meaning the pressure was coming from the center of the suspension. This is no joke and it won't be just simple fix but rather changing the two springs and big part of the suspension itself...That's why they don't want to service it themselves.

The car had one owner and always serviced there. Last service was done at 250.000km. Now has 260.000 and it is being sold. My thinking is that the suspension failed after the last check and that is the reason for the sale. Even though they have serviced the car during all it's life and now suddenly they don't want to touch it even if I pay it means that the cars life has ended with this suspension problem, so I bet it's not a simple and easy fix.
Reply With Quote
  #47  
Old 21.07.2011, 23:31
V__'s Avatar
V__ V__ is offline
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Lausanne
Posts: 1,511
Groaned at 384 Times in 215 Posts
Thanked 2,082 Times in 866 Posts
V__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Second hand cars with no MFK

Searching for some more I found something I might really like.

http://www.autoscout24.ch/AS24Web/De...&page=3&row=13

Opel Signum, 2004, Automatic, petrol, 200k, 5800 negotiable (how much is the question)...Seems very nice, not too old, not a lot kms for what I search for, current MFK, private person selling it... It could be something. I will try to see it tomorrow.

I drove Astra automatic for 10 days, apart from the long interval between changing gears (I found it to be normal as it was a rental) I liked the car...
Reply With Quote
  #48  
Old 22.07.2011, 00:24
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Vaud
Posts: 2,894
Groaned at 97 Times in 46 Posts
Thanked 1,932 Times in 921 Posts
Anthony1406 has a reputation beyond reputeAnthony1406 has a reputation beyond reputeAnthony1406 has a reputation beyond reputeAnthony1406 has a reputation beyond reputeAnthony1406 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Second hand cars with no MFK

how is their rep with long km though , like the Merc has been proven to be over engineered.... but go check it out. It might be a good one
Reply With Quote
  #49  
Old 22.07.2011, 01:06
Upthehatters2008's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: In the kitchen at parties.
Posts: 4,540
Groaned at 204 Times in 120 Posts
Thanked 6,078 Times in 2,378 Posts
Upthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Second hand cars with no MFK

Quote:
View Post
how is their rep with long km though , like the Merc has been proven to be over engineered.... but go check it out. It might be a good one
That reputation died 15 years ago...Mercs are not reliable, by any professional standard.
Reply With Quote
  #50  
Old 22.07.2011, 02:07
V__'s Avatar
V__ V__ is offline
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Lausanne
Posts: 1,511
Groaned at 384 Times in 215 Posts
Thanked 2,082 Times in 866 Posts
V__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Second hand cars with no MFK

I must agree with Upthehatters2008, the last over engineered MB car was the W140, which is still great car even today if you own shares with Shell.

Newer models just don't live up to the expectations from their predecessors, older models seem to be indestructible, only thing is they are no fuel efficient and most importantly they can't be as safe compared to the new generation vehicles.

As for the Opel, it really seems like a deal. Overall Opel as a brand is not that known to be hassle free but it really depends from the models. This particular model is not that common, but generally I saw super opinions and reviews on some sites, but I should search for more.

I think I will check it out myself first, try to see obvious things, exhaust fumes, marks on the tires, noises when braking and shifting gears... Than will try to find a mechanic or garage that can look the engine and body for me...

Can anyone recommend a good reliable mechanic or garage that I can just stop by and have professional opinion on the car? Yes it just passed the MFK and it's good for next 3-4 years I guess but I'd feel safer.
Reply With Quote
  #51  
Old 22.07.2011, 03:11
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Vaud
Posts: 2,894
Groaned at 97 Times in 46 Posts
Thanked 1,932 Times in 921 Posts
Anthony1406 has a reputation beyond reputeAnthony1406 has a reputation beyond reputeAnthony1406 has a reputation beyond reputeAnthony1406 has a reputation beyond reputeAnthony1406 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Second hand cars with no MFK

Quote:
View Post
That reputation died 15 years ago...Mercs are not reliable, by any professional standard.

and those are exactly the ones he is looking at up until the W210 (including)
Reply With Quote
  #52  
Old 22.07.2011, 13:52
V__'s Avatar
V__ V__ is offline
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Lausanne
Posts: 1,511
Groaned at 384 Times in 215 Posts
Thanked 2,082 Times in 866 Posts
V__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Second hand cars with no MFK

Problem is, I might have been too optimistic to find a good decent Merc in a state to be driven in the next years in a budget like that, the few I saw had definitely troubles with serios work to be done so either you have to have a mechanic to look at it or buy it from a garage for 2 or 3 times the price.

The search continues...

I just took a look at the Opel signum mentioned above.

The guy came down my house this morning. He is selling it to buy a bigger minivan or similar as he has two children now. Car was bought from first owner at 140.000km and up until that point the car was serviced by authorized dealer. As soon as he bought it, he serviced it at independent garages so they couldn't stamp the book but issued all the bills of work done. On the windshield there is a small dent from a small rock or something, but it seems to be fixed and filled with something and it has a 10 year warranty (if I understood correctly.) One half a centimeter dent on the alloy wheel probably from parking on a curve, but the tires are new and 2 months old. No scratches just small ones probably even from people walking by. Some paint peeled off from the plastic bumper but it is not serious. The driver door makes a click when you close it but I think that's no big issue and can be fixed easily. The interior is preserved, one small maybe 2 cm circle stain on the top of the driver seat just near the windshield probably from some product that he tried to use. He changed 2 of the injectors, some part from the air intake, on the last MFK 2 months ago it didn't pass because of used brakes in the back so it went to a garage and it was OK for the MFK.

Test drove it, really nice and comfortable. Automatic gearbox is not sluggish or delayed like in the Astra I drove, it really changed gears without any pause and acceleration was great. Wheel was going straight from what I could tell (as the road was not really straight and leveled) and brakes seemed really good, no noise or anything while braking.

Car was bought in 2008 and mostly driven everyday for a daily commute to work...Comes with original tinted windows (not with foils) and 2 sets of newish winter/summer tires. Owner did some eurotax appraisal and got 7000 CHF for private sell and 5000 for a garage sell. He said he can not go anything below the 5600. I think it is good value.

It seems to be a good deal all in all and for the money I think I will struggle to find anything better...The VW/AUDI cars at that price range 1998 at the earliest and Mercs not after 1996/1997. Probably Opel is not the same quality as VW and Audi but 6 years newer car says something.

Or maybe I should wait after the holidays and make a decision...Perhaps the market gets more cars as of September onwards, maybe prices will be same but there will be more choice?
Reply With Quote
  #53  
Old 26.07.2011, 17:38
V__'s Avatar
V__ V__ is offline
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Lausanne
Posts: 1,511
Groaned at 384 Times in 215 Posts
Thanked 2,082 Times in 866 Posts
V__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Second hand cars with no MFK

As I have been searching for a car lately I have been offered by a friend who works for the swiss embassy abroad the private car from the ambassador that is on sale now. The car was bought in CH and transfered there and got CD plates. The ambassador is coming for vacation in a week in CH and he will bring it here. As the car was intended to be sold through the internal embassies ads, the EUR price is even better for me. It's a Hyundai Tuscon, 30000km from 2008 for 12.000 EUR. Similar spec car in CH is 21.000 CHF.

I have already expressed interest and I have asked questions for service book and if there is any duty to be payed (probably not, as it was not exported in the first place?)

As it is 2008 probably it doesn't need MFK soon but I am confident that the car is in a perfect state for the MFK and exhaust tests here.

I have some diplomatic cars advertised here and some have pointed out that these cars did not have valid MFK as CD cars, but probably here the case is different and there will be no big hassle involved?
Reply With Quote
  #54  
Old 04.02.2012, 15:28
Bruce C.'s Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Solothurn region
Posts: 45
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Bruce C. has no particular reputation at present
Re: Second hand cars with no MFK

have you had any luck V? I'm in almost the same situation as you. Do you know if the MFK rules depend on the canton?
Reply With Quote
  #55  
Old 04.02.2012, 20:12
V__'s Avatar
V__ V__ is offline
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Lausanne
Posts: 1,511
Groaned at 384 Times in 215 Posts
Thanked 2,082 Times in 866 Posts
V__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Second hand cars with no MFK

Don't really know if the MFK is much different from canton to canton, I would say it is pretty standardized...

What are you searching for at the moment?
Reply With Quote
  #56  
Old 04.02.2012, 21:01
Bruce C.'s Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Solothurn region
Posts: 45
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Bruce C. has no particular reputation at present
Re: Second hand cars with no MFK

I'm not sure, I'm sort of mixed up. I wanted to spend less than 4K and not have to deal with MFK. I like the e series benz as you were talking about, 190s, 230s whatever. Also like the E30 bmws. Or even an e46 like this looks pretty cool.
http://en.comparis.ch/carfinder/mark...px?id=13627960
little more money though...

On the other end I'm thinking I should be more practical, maybe some sort of FWD 1.whatever liter engine, economy box car.
Reply With Quote
  #57  
Old 04.02.2012, 21:44
V__'s Avatar
V__ V__ is offline
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Lausanne
Posts: 1,511
Groaned at 384 Times in 215 Posts
Thanked 2,082 Times in 866 Posts
V__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond reputeV__ has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Second hand cars with no MFK

That one seems nice, a bit high km but probably you don't mind?

It will depend on what you are searching for and what you need so you will have to make according budget. How long you plan to keep it, will you maintain it here in Switzerland or be able to go to Germany/France, what kind of equipment you want inside...

I was not able to find anything decent in the 5k market. Visited many small/medium garages and had no luck. They were selling cars with possibility of MFK to be done by them for extra fee and later to say they rather just sell the car with a discount - meaning a lot of work will be needed for the car. Others were assuring me they will do the MFK but after test drives I could notice serious faults with this cars, leaking suspensions, steering wheel issues...They offer 1 year warranty but many people are telling me often small/medium dealers don't always honor their warranties!

There are supposted to be lot of cars in the 5 to 10k region, but I think you will have to search very hard or go up with your budget. It all depends on how long you plan on keeping the car and how much you plan to drive it.

I am not sure, but if it's 10+ year old car if you buy it from a private person regardless of the MFK date I think you will have to do it again yourself in the following months...And often small things could cost you to fail the test and repairs can be with 4 zeros bills.

If you plan to do some skiing and mountain visits you should definitely consider FWD.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank V__ for this useful post:
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
second hand insurance for imported cars - facts and figures only please Anwar Transportation/driving 5 01.09.2010 19:54
14 day return policy on second hand cars?? ebmemna Transportation/driving 4 06.03.2010 23:51
Second hand cars IonasDad Daily life 0 04.11.2009 22:01
Where to buy second hand cars? eno Other/general 4 04.11.2009 15:25
Where are all the cheap second-hand cars? kodokan Transportation/driving 11 28.01.2008 23:54


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 19:53.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0