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Re: Questions about road access,parking and tolls

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There is absolutely no excuse for being so rude about somebody who is asking for information. Ignore or say what you have to say in a polite manner.
There is absolutely no excuse to use the community to serve you (spoon feeding). Especially when the information you require is extremely easily available. A simple search with "blue disk" will tell the OP that those are available free of charge. in X and Y locations.

There's absolutely no excuse to avoid your serious responsibilities by simply asking a few random questions about the driving rules. Especially when there's life of other road users involved. And especially that in most countries that information is official and available for all, in many shapes (DVD, booklet, video, Internet, etc...).
It has now been clarified that the OP was after the "official booklet" and not only a few tips to allow him to drive in Switzerland.


So thanks, I appreciate we have different opinion. Keep your morale away as it is off topic.

And i'm glad to have been so rude if it lead the OP and the community to have "what he wanted but expressed badly": the official booklet. Now who knows he might read it, knows the rules, and avoid serious accidents.
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Re: Questions about road access,parking and tolls

You can be rude to me all you want - water over a ducks back. But newbies should be welcomed and helped, or ignored. At the very least, if they hack you off, do it politely. My 'morale' is very good, thank you. Where are you from? Weren't you pleased and grateful when you first arrived in CH, when some locals were friendly rather than stare and bit your head off?

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Welcome to Switzerland TSK and have a great, safe holiday.

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You can be rude to me all you want - water over a ducks back. But newbies should be welcomed and helped, or ignored. At the very least, if they hack you off, do it politely. My 'morale' is very good, thank you. Where are you from? Weren't you pleased and grateful when you first arrived in CH, when some locals were friendly rather than stare and bit your head off?

Forum rules : You will also demonstrate respect to and tolerance of all other members of the forum.

Welcome to Switzerland TSK and have a great, safe holiday.
This is not a customer service environment. This is a community!

No one is here to spoon feed anyone, especially when the information is extremely easily available.

Now the funny thing is you haven't commented on my precedent post. Are you not capable of finding him an excuse for not having used the search function for something so trivial as the blue disk?

Now you are a newbie after 57 posts? Poor baby, let's spoon feed him. Let's forgot he/she is a mature adult perfectly capable of using a search function.

Now I told you already, keep your morale away, it's off topic!

And if you have any issues with me being rude while defending the "Rules of driving booklet", Go and say that to them:

A Spanish man is facing a prison term for causing the death of an 80-year-old woman in a head-on crash, after driving on the wrong side of the road.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/uk-...-west-12623834

A French school teacher who caused the death of a Scots food delivery worker by driving on the wrong side of a Borders road has avoided a jail term.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...tland-13035722.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...tland-13035722
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Re: Questions about road access,parking and tolls

one more question. Apart from st. gotthard and st. bernard tunnels. is there toll on any other roads. We anyways do not plan to use these tunnels. Instead, we will use the old roads on these routes.
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This is not a customer service environment. This is a community!

No one is here to spoon feed anyone, especially when the information is extremely easily available.
That's for members of the community to decide, isn't it? No one forces you to answer if you feel questions are too trivial. Alternatively, are you available to vet member's posts to ensure they do not answer questions that are too easy?

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And if you have any issues with me being rude while defending the "Rules of driving booklet", Go and say that to them:

A Spanish man is facing a prison term for causing the death of an 80-year-old woman in a head-on crash, after driving on the wrong side of the road.
Source:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/uk-...-west-12623834

A French school teacher who caused the death of a Scots food delivery worker by driving on the wrong side of a Borders road has avoided a jail term.
Source:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...tland-13035722.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...tland-13035722
The OP has been driving in the US, where they drive on the same side of the road as in Switzerland. And he's not asked about which side of the road to drive on. In fact, if he can drive in India avoiding major accidents, he'll have a much easier time adapting to Switzerland than the other way round. A Swiss driver in a hire car setting off from Indira Ghandi International Airport? I don't think so.
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one more question. Apart from st. gotthard and st. bernard tunnels. is there toll on any other roads. We anyways do not plan to use these tunnels. Instead, we will use the old roads on these routes.
No toll on St. Gotthard tunnel other than the general motorway tax. No tax on public highways other than Gd. St. Bernhard.
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That's for members of the community to decide, isn't it? No one forces you to answer if you feel questions are too trivial. Alternatively, are you available to vet member's posts to ensure they do not answer questions that are too easy?


The OP has been driving in the US, where they drive on the same side of the road as in Switzerland. And he's not asked about which side of the road to drive on. In fact, if he can drive in India avoiding major accidents, he'll have a much easier time adapting to Switzerland than the other way round. A Swiss driver in a hire car setting off from Indira Ghandi International Airport? I don't think so.
Thanks for your support Tom. For all his rudeness and hostile attitude towards me, I still thank him for the links he gave.

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No toll on St. Gotthard tunnel other than the general motorway tax. No tax on public highways other than Gd. St. Bernhard.
Are you sure about that?
From what I have been reading, if you drive through the underground tunnel, you pay extra toll, but over the pass, you pay no toll.
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Thanks for your support Tom. For all his rudeness and hostile attitude towards me, I still thank him for the links he gave.


Are you sure about that?
From what I have been reading, if you drive through the underground tunnel, you pay extra toll, but over the pass, you pay no toll.
If you go through the tunnel, you have to have the motorway toll sticker. That's not required for the pass. But if you drive on the motherway anyway (and have the toll sticker to start with), you don't pay "extra" for the tunnel.

Again: Don't be fooled by Google maps.
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Re: Questions about road access,parking and tolls

thanks for your replies.
Another question is troubling me.
In US, along most roads, there are lots of gas stations or rest areas with public toilets(free to use).
I looked up switzerland, there do seem to be few such areas along the motorways, however, I am not sure about the minor roads.
How far apart are the rest areas/toilets normally. In india its a big problem finding public toilets. I sincerely hope this is not the case in switzerland
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thanks for your replies.
Another question is troubling me.
In US, along most roads, there are lots of gas stations or rest areas with public toilets(free to use).
I looked up switzerland, there do seem to be few such areas along the motorways, however, I am not sure about the minor roads.
How far apart are the rest areas/toilets normally. In india its a big problem finding public toilets. I sincerely hope this is not the case in switzerland
Most local authorities provide public toilet facilities.
Switzerland toilet guide (not comprehensive, but a good start)
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Most local authorities provide public toilet facilities.
Switzerland toilet guide (not comprehensive, but a good start)
Oh boy, thats a ton of toilets One thing less to worry about
I guess I will stop at the scenic ones and combine loo break with photography break
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Oh boy! Just returned the car today after 7 days of swiss driving.
I must say its a lot crazier than the US.
In a tunnel I am doing around 80-81kmph, the speed limit, and there is a car almost kissing my the bumper of mine, and there is another kissing his bumper, and then there is a caravan kissing his, and a big truck too.

Same deal on mountain passes, They kiss your tail, and even if you slow down to let them overtake, they do not overtake.
It took me some time to realize that there is lot of car love in switzerland, with everyone kissing everyones behind. Or maybe they just do hypermilling.

The love is not very much lost in austria/Germany too.
On the freeway I had a beemer tailing me. Just after a curve I came across a traffic jam, slammed the brakes, managed to stop with a few meters to spare, and the beemer stopped maybe 1 foot away from me.

Stopped tailgating me after that.
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Re: Questions about road access,parking and tolls

Your location says India. Don't you tailgate?
Hope you had nice driving.

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Oh boy! Just returned the car today after 7 days of swiss driving.
I must say its a lot crazier than the US.
In a tunnel I am doing around 80-81kmph, the speed limit, and there is a car almost kissing my the bumper of mine, and there is another kissing his bumper, and then there is a caravan kissing his, and a big truck too.
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Your location says India. Don't you tailgate?
Hope you had nice driving.
I was expecting sensible driving, quite like US out here.
though its not as bad as India, Tailgating is really annoying, esp in tunnels where its dangerous.
And don't even get me started on the caravans in the mountain pass roads.
Other than that it was a delight driving in Europe, with Austria and Germany the best sections.
In switzerland it was good, when we were not in a traffic jam. Unfortunately, all over valais and near Tasch etc., and even in bernese oberland, there were lots of sections under repair, due to which got stuck in jams as only one lane was open.

As for the driving, loved the Grimsel and Furka, and really enjoyed Susten pass.
One of the most scenic roads was the toll road towards Engstalp(joch pass?).

Brienz to Thun drive is also marvelous, too bad it was cloudy and raining, for 3 days of our 5 days in switzerland.
One sunny day was spent at Altesch, one at Jungfrau, and one half sunny day was spent gazing the matterhorn(though I think zermatt is the biggest hypocrisy as far as car free green town image goes)

We did go to Oescheninsee, however, it was so cloudy we could see barely 5 meters. Luckily due to our pass, no money wasted, only time wasted.

Jaun pass was lovely, but it was raining, and we only got a glimpse of those famous granite peaks.

One of the most memorable days was jungfrau day. After going to the top, we went to Bachalpsee, got attacked by two rottweilers(silly owners had not leashed them at the lake), came down to Thun and took a paddle steamer ride, got down at Spiez, sprinted to train station. The train came in as we jogged into the station. We caught it because it was 4 minutes late.
Otherwise next train was almost an hour away!
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