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Questions about road access,parking and tolls

When I do google search for driving routes, it often tells me to drive to roads which I know are car-free (For example Kleine Sch., Kanderstagg-lake)

I am wondering, how do I know which road has no cars allowed. Is there a sign or a message telling so. since our german is very weak, it would be nice to know if there is a sign or something.

Regarding parking, we will stay in Lauterbrunnen,and our chalet has a car park. So no problem there. However, I am wondering where to get blue parking disc?
Will it be available at post office? Whats the cost. Are there some other kind of discs too which we can get(even if paid) which will allow us to park in other spaces?

Lastly, I will get a swiss vignette for our renal car(40 CHF). Is there some other toll also. for example, I was told that even with vignette, I have to pay toll to use Gotthard tunnel.

Do similar rules apply on other "autobahn/freeways"?
If so, is it common, or some specific routes?

As a foreign driver in for a short time in Switzerland, are there specific tips you can give me.
I know I should not break speed limit even by 1kmph and keep tabs on parking time etc.,
But I do not know if its okay for us to park for a few seconds on road side of minor village roads to take pictures of the landscape.
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Most rental cars come with a blue disc (emblazoned with the rental firm's logo), usually in the side pocket on the driver's side. Otherwise, ask for one at the car rental.

There are no fees on Swiss public highways other than the vignette. Some roads not maintained by the public authorities (i.e. the tunnel under the Great St. Bernhard pass) charge a toll.
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When I do google search for driving routes, it often tells me to drive to roads which I know are car-free (For example Kleine Sch., Kanderstagg-lake)

I am wondering, how do I know which road has no cars allowed. Is there a sign or a message telling so. since our german is very weak, it would be nice to know if there is a sign or something.

Regarding parking, we will stay in Lauterbrunnen,and our chalet has a car park. So no problem there. However, I am wondering where to get blue parking disc?
Will it be available at post office? Whats the cost. Are there some other kind of discs too which we can get(even if paid) which will allow us to park in other spaces?

Lastly, I will get a swiss vignette for our renal car(40 CHF). Is there some other toll also. for example, I was told that even with vignette, I have to pay toll to use Gotthard tunnel.

Do similar rules apply on other "autobahn/freeways"?
If so, is it common, or some specific routes?

As a foreign driver in for a short time in Switzerland, are there specific tips you can give me.
I know I should not break speed limit even by 1kmph and keep tabs on parking time etc.,
But I do not know if its okay for us to park for a few seconds on road side of minor village roads to take pictures of the landscape.
Switzerland has EU standard signposts. If you're not familiar with them, either find something on google and print them off, or buy the Swiss highway code, but in any case, it's pretty simple if you're not a novice.
The blue disk can be bought nearly anywhere, and rentals usually have them anyway. The vignette should also be on the car by now, as once attached it can not be removed, and it's illegal not to have it attached.
Car parks are usually payable individually. Again, not rocket science. Keep plenty of change on you (CHF10 per day would be a maximum in tourist areas I reckon, more in towns).
There are no tolls in Switzerland, only the vignette.
Gottard tunnel is very busy, a nice alternative is the Gottard pass via Andermatt, and as a tourist you really should take it for the views.
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Some roads not maintained by the public authorities (i.e. the tunnel under the Great St. Bernhard pass) charge a toll.
I didn't know that.
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Some roads not maintained by the public authorities (i.e. the tunnel under the Great St. Bernhard pass) charge a toll.
No, it has a toll charge on the Italian side, like most other Italian tunnels. It is maintained by both Italy and Switzerland, but only the Italians charge to use it.

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Some roads not maintained by the public authorities (i.e. the tunnel under the Great St. Bernhard pass) charge a toll.
So I did know it.
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Re: Questions about road access,parking and tolls

Great advice regarding avoiding the tunnel. Queues in summer can be nasty and very long.
Switzerland is a nice country to drive in and quite stress free. Just follow the signs and use car parks.
Yes, you can take pictures, but get the car off the road. There are lots of scenic 'look out' points anyway to take pictures.
For me, the rules are like driving anywhere, except the 'give way to right' at otherwise unmarked junctions.
Enjoy the drive.
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Most rental cars come with a blue disc (emblazoned with the rental firm's logo), usually in the side pocket on the driver's side. Otherwise, ask for one at the car rental.

There are no fees on Swiss public highways other than the vignette. Some roads not maintained by the public authorities (i.e. the tunnel under the Great St. Bernhard pass) charge a toll.
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Switzerland has EU standard signposts. If you're not familiar with them, either find something on google and print them off, or buy the Swiss highway code, but in any case, it's pretty simple if you're not a novice.
The blue disk can be bought nearly anywhere, and rentals usually have them anyway. The vignette should also be on the car by now, as once attached it can not be removed, and it's illegal not to have it attached.
Car parks are usually payable individually. Again, not rocket science. Keep plenty of change on you (CHF10 per day would be a maximum in tourist areas I reckon, more in towns).
There are no tolls in Switzerland, only the vignette.
Gottard tunnel is very busy, a nice alternative is the Gottard pass via Andermatt, and as a tourist you really should take it for the views.
Thanks for your replies.
Our car will be rented in austria.
So no vignette, and no blue parking disc.
I will buy it from Lauterbrunnen post office.
Whats the cost of blue disc and the red disc? Can red disc be used in a blue zone, or only in red zone?

Regarding road signs, have driven in USA and drive primarily in India.
I keep out a hawks eye for speed limit signs, developed this practice in USa.
Many minor roads have 55mph limit, and suddenly you approach a village, and you have a 35mph limit, you miss the sign, you are toast.

Are there such things in switzerland?

As for tunnels, I have no intention on driving the tunnel, but I have not got conclusive info on the old gotthard pass road. Is it a proper road, or a cobblestone path?

Will the road access to tunnel be marked?
I really do not want to accidently enter the tunnel.

Lastly, car free roads are a phenomena unique to switzerland(mostly), so is there a specific sign?

I will definitely be reading the swiss road sign code. Any place to find it online?
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Re: Questions about road access,parking and tolls

If you rent at a Swiss airport, all rental cars will have the vignette (check the windscreen/shield for the 2011 number). Edit, just seen you are renting from Austria). Very very few roads, like the St Bernard Tunnel, have a toll. And anyway, you can have much better fun and scenery by-passing the Tunnel and turning right before it to go over the St Bernard pass, with the famous monastry at the top- FOR FREE. Amazing flowers and wildlife up there. Look out for the marmots - they are like big guinea-pigs, about 80cm long and chubby. Great fun to watch - you will hear them first and wonder 'which bird whistles like that'.
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If you rent at a Swiss airport, all rental cars will have the vignette (check the windscreen/shield for the 2011 number). Edit, just seen you are renting from Austria). Very very few roads, like the St Bernard Tunnel, have a toll. And anyway, you can have much better fun and scenery by-passing the Tunnel and turning right before it to go over the St Bernard pass, with the famous monastry at the top- FOR FREE. Amazing flowers and wildlife up there. Look out for the marmots - they are like big guinea-pigs, about 80cm long and chubby. Great fun to watch - you will hear them first and wonder 'which bird whistles like that'.
Aah mormots. Saw a lot of these at Ladakh.
Are the swiss ones as fat?


Anyways, our aim is to bypass all tunnels, and take the old road.Will be prefeeding tracks in our GPS to do so.

when we come in from Stelvio pass, we drive through davos area and do susten pass into bernese oberland.
Will buy vignette near the italian border(I hope the border checkposts keep them) or maybe gas stations near the border roads into switzerland from austria.
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Yes, Swiss marmots are quite plump at this time of year! Look out for Ibex as well, and Chamois. And of course Golden Eagles.

All border posts have the Vignettes for sale.

Have a fabulous time in 'my' country (although I live at the other end, near the French border). Don't forget to tell us how you got on and the highlights of your trips.
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Thanks for your replies.
Our car will be rented in austria.
So no vignette, and no blue parking disc.
I will buy it from Lauterbrunnen post office.
Whats the cost of blue disc and the red disc? Can red disc be used in a blue zone, or only in red zone?
If your car doesn't have a vignette you can buy one when entering Switzerland. All motorway border crossings sell them.

The Gotthard pass road is asphalted, bot cobbled. There is also a cobbled one but that's separate.

The car rental should give you a blue disk. They're international so it doesn't matter if it's an Austrain one. Just ask for it.

You can also buy them or sometimes get them free at filling stations.
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No, it has a toll charge on the Italian side, like most other Italian tunnels. It is maintained by both Italy and Switzerland, but only the Italians charge to use it.
There is a toll, and it's charged for the entire tunnel. Revenues are split between the Italian and the Swiss managing companies. TGSB SA's annual report has on page 12 a discussion on how to deal with the Swiss VAT changes, and Page 15 reveals that toll revenue was CHF 7'362'388.
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Regarding road signs, have driven in USA and drive primarily in India.
I keep out a hawks eye for speed limit signs, developed this practice in USa.
Many minor roads have 55mph limit, and suddenly you approach a village, and you have a 35mph limit, you miss the sign, you are toast.

Are there such things in switzerland?

Lastly, car free roads are a phenomena unique to switzerland(mostly), so is there a specific sign?
All the villages are 50kmh unless marked differently. ie, many are 30 or 40kmh.
The speed limit usually changes at the sign announcing you are entering the village.
The roads are usually car free because they're inaccessible, ie, Wengen.
All car free roads will be clearly signposted, and the exceptions (taxi's, farm vehicles etc) listed.
Swiss road signs are EU spec, the only difference I notice is the Autobahn is Green rather than Blue.

The only trick they have is 'give way to the right'. This should be announced by a yellow square with a black line ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priority_to_the_right)
however, using your eyes ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyes ) you can see that if a side road has no road markings to give way to you, then it may well have priority over yourself. This is usually in towns and villages.

Switzerland has millions of foreign drivers passing through each year without any problems, so you shouldn't worry too much, especially if you've driven in the US before.
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I will definitely be reading the swiss road sign code. Any place to find it online?
Swiss road sign code Sorry, only in German, French and Italian. Or an over view of all signs

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Regarding road signs, have driven in USA and drive primarily in India.
I keep out a hawks eye for speed limit signs, developed this practice in USa.
Many minor roads have 55mph limit, and suddenly you approach a village, and you have a 35mph limit, you miss the sign, you are toast.

Are there such things in switzerland?
Its 2.30.1
it is valid until you see 2.53.1

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As for tunnels, I have no intention on driving the tunnel, but I have not got conclusive info on the old gotthard pass road. Is it a proper road, or a cobblestone path?
Will the road access to tunnel be marked?
I really do not want to accidently enter the tunnel.
It is marked with this guy in advance For Gothard leave the highway at latest in Airolo or Göschenen, for north or south bound respectively. Highway exits are marked with this in advance Ps. Strictly no stopping on highway for sightseeing, emergency only.

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Lastly, car free roads are a phenomena unique to switzerland(mostly), so is there a specific sign?
Yes, No traffic at all.
No car traffic, bikes are ok.
Do not enter
No motor trafic, cyclist ok.
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My advice to the OP is to get some driving lessons.
The lack of knowledge about traffic rules is really scary
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Swiss road sign code Sorry, only in German, French and Italian. Or an over view of all signs



Its 2.30.1
it is valid until you see 2.53.1


It is marked with this guy in advance For Gothard leave the highway at latest in Airolo or Göschenen, for north or south bound respectively. Highway exits are marked with this in advance Ps. Strictly no stopping on highway for sightseeing, emergency only.

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Seriously???
The guy has to learn the rules of driving here and people are actually "helping him" by explaining a few signs?


Get the feck out of the road if you can't drive. If you are willing to learn, move your ars3 and get the book or CD about driving.


And about the "Blue disk":
Use the search function!!!

Blue Parking Disc Thingie..


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My advice to the OP is to get some driving lessons.
The lack of knowledge about traffic rules is really scary
Not really that practical for a tourist though.

There are plenty of sh1te drivers here already, one more won't make any difference. At least he's scared of breaking the rules.
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Not really that practical for a tourist though.

There are plenty of sh1te drivers here already, one more won't make any difference. At least he's scared of breaking the rules.
Go and say that to them:
A Spanish man is facing a prison term for causing the death of an 80-year-old woman in a head-on crash, after driving on the wrong side of the road.
Source:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/uk-...-west-12623834

A French school teacher who caused the death of a Scots food delivery worker by driving on the wrong side of a Borders road has avoided a jail term.
Source:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...tland-13035722.


You're a driver: take your responsibilities. It also implies not helping irresponsible persons.

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Morning the loss of an irresponsible member: 17Clarence got run over by some random spoon-feeded idiot who can not use a search function but still drive?
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When I do google search for driving routes, it often tells me to drive to roads which I know are car-free (For example Kleine Sch., Kanderstagg-lake)

I am wondering, how do I know which road has no cars allowed. Is there a sign or a message telling so. since our german is very weak, it would be nice to know if there is a sign or something.

Regarding parking, we will stay in Lauterbrunnen,and our chalet has a car park. So no problem there. However, I am wondering where to get blue parking disc?
Will it be available at post office? Whats the cost. Are there some other kind of discs too which we can get(even if paid) which will allow us to park in other spaces?

Lastly, I will get a swiss vignette for our renal car(40 CHF). Is there some other toll also. for example, I was told that even with vignette, I have to pay toll to use Gotthard tunnel.

Do similar rules apply on other "autobahn/freeways"?
If so, is it common, or some specific routes?

As a foreign driver in for a short time in Switzerland, are there specific tips you can give me.
I know I should not break speed limit even by 1kmph and keep tabs on parking time etc.,
But I do not know if its okay for us to park for a few seconds on road side of minor village roads to take pictures of the landscape.

Look at that! The OP can't even use a search function and yet learn how to use the "Groan Button"!

Well done!
Congratulations for having used a clear action plan:
I want to show confirmation that i'm an idiot -> I use the groan button

Now do that again for :
I want to know about blue disk -> I try the search function first

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