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Satnav Newbie question

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Driving a 12-y/o imported Astra, I started saving up for a replacement (in about 2 years' time), with Audi presently in the frontal lobes for preferred brand.

Just a sudden recent brain short-cut (been on holidays, too much time to think :-p). Could anyone with a built-in satnav system tell me how that works with software upgrades (systemware, maps)? Is this included in the periodical checks?

I have never owned a TomTom/Garmin or similar savnat so far. Are built in systems interchangeable, i.e., could one install mobile systems' software on the built-in navigator?

Thanks for your suggestions!
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Old 14.08.2011, 00:34
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Re: Satnav Newbie question

I can't speak for all brands, but for Lexus, you have to buy new DVDs for the updated maps. Not sure about firmware updates.
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Old 14.08.2011, 13:42
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Driving a 12-y/o imported Astra, I started saving up for a replacement (in about 2 years' time), with Audi presently in the frontal lobes for preferred brand.

Could anyone with a built-in satnav system tell me how that works with software upgrades (systemware, maps)? Is this included in the periodical checks?

I have never owned a TomTom/Garmin or similar savnat so far. Are built in systems interchangeable, i.e., could one install mobile systems' software on the built-in navigator?
Latest maps are available from your local dealer, and come on CD or DVD depending on what type of drive is fitted.
Modern systems can also have harddrives built in, the dealer can update the installed map upon request

Depending on the brand of vehicle, the map updates are normally sold to you.

The system is proprietary software and hardware.
Software updates are done with inserting a software update CD, or updating from the service link to the dealer (optical connection)
Some brands supply updates free of charge, some are chargable, some are done only on request under warranty.

You cannot load different nav systems onto your hardware

Google the type of satnav system and you will find lots of hints and information on the internet
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Re: Satnav Newbie question

Opel still uses a DVD, Alfa uses an SD card and BMW hooks the car up to a computer at the dealership on its newer models. The latter certainly reduces the risk of piracy but it is expensive and can be time consuming. If having the latest maps is your goal, I would seriously consider the muchness costly option of buying a TomTom. They used to to slower to start up and also to find your location. The latest 1000 series seem to remember their last location and are quite quick.
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Re: Satnav Newbie question

This weekend, I realised that a built-in satnav would be useful for the car only, so I still might want to get a mobile one for the motorcycle. (And for the time I need to save for car replacement ).

Thanks for your useful insights. Standardization will probably never happen with these gadgets...
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Old 23.08.2011, 13:09
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Re: Satnav Newbie question

Also worth noting that the cost of an updated disc for one of the in-car systems can cost much more than a handheld unit (the unit itself, not just the maps!).

It drives me crazy that it cost me CHF2500- for my in-car navigation system, and they still have the gaul to charge me CHF400- for an updated DVD. Which is particularly upsetting when you consider that I can buy a TomTom with updated maps for around CHF150-.

If I had it to do over again, I would skip the factory-fit nav system and buy an aftermarket one, particularly if you've got a double-DIN sized opening.
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... they still have the gaul to charge me CHF400- for an updated DVD...
Whaaat?? That's downright theft! Thanks for mentioning this!

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... particularly if you've got a double-DIN sized opening...
Ehm..., trusting this is not considered 'explicit language' (): would you mind explaining this in non-tech wording?
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... consider that I can buy a TomTom with updated maps for around CHF150-....
By the way: since I was thinking of buying a TomTom for the motorcycle anyway: where to shop for this (or Garmin) for ~CHF150? Would that be InterDiscount?
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Ehm..., trusting this is not considered 'explicit language' (): would you mind explaining this in non-tech wording?
DIN describes a standard car radio opening. A double-DIN opening is basically twice the size.

If you have a single-DIN opening and you want fixed in-car navigation, you can buy a slide-out unit something like this:



On the other hand, if you have the luxury of a double-DIN opening (which a lot of cars have today), you don't need to get a slide-out unit. You can get a flat-faced unit like this:



In terms of buying a cheap GPS, I've had good luck with buying refurbished units directly from Amazon. The unit I've linked to is a decent basic GPS that will set you back CHF91- plus shipping.
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Re: Satnav Newbie question

Android phone would also be something to consider as the google navigation is good.

Do be wary of roaming charges, however - Navit might help you with that though
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Android phone would also be something to consider as the google navigation is good.

Do be wary of roaming charges, however - Navit might help you with that though
iPad may be yet another option? Probably too big for the DIN-openings, or on the motorcycle...

What/who is Navit?
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On the other hand, if you have the luxury of a double-DIN opening (which a lot of cars have today), you don't need to get a slide-out unit. You can get a flat-faced unit like this:



In terms of buying a cheap GPS, I've had good luck with buying refurbished units directly from Amazon. The unit I've linked to is a decent basic GPS that will set you back CHF91- plus shipping.
Seems attractive... only £70. The brackets to mount it on the motorcycle probably cost this much as well
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Seems attractive... only £70. The brackets to mount it on the motorcycle probably cost this much as well
GBP12.99 for you, good sir. Or GBP14 if you want a waterproof cover, too.
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Latest maps are available from your local dealer, and come on CD or DVD depending on what type of drive is fitted.
Modern systems can also have harddrives built in, the dealer can update the installed map upon request

Depending on the brand of vehicle, the map updates are normally sold to you.

The system is proprietary software and hardware.
Software updates are done with inserting a software update CD, or updating from the service link to the dealer (optical connection)
Some brands supply updates free of charge, some are chargable, some are done only on request under warranty.

You cannot load different nav systems onto your hardware

Google the type of satnav system and you will find lots of hints and information on the internet
I have a new Audi (2 months old) with built-in sat/nav and Amag had informed me that the updates will be free of charge. I have already been sent a DVD from Audi yesterday. But beware, the NAV system is approximately 4-5K CHF additional to the purchasing price

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By the way: since I was thinking of buying a TomTom for the motorcycle anyway: where to shop for this (or Garmin) for ~CHF150? Would that be InterDiscount?
You'll have to fork out a bit more for a TomTom Rider - unless you're happy to have it killed by the vibration, ruined in the wet, and miss out on all the nice rider options like twisty routes .
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You'll have to fork out a bit more for a TomTom Rider - unless you're happy to have it killed by the vibration, ruined in the wet, and miss out on all the nice rider options like twisty routes .
Thanks, this is really useful advice!

Is TomTom Rider preferred over Garmin these days?

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Old 23.08.2011, 21:29
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Re: Satnav Newbie question

yep we have suzuki's gps built into our swift, its shit and costs 600 euro to update the maps, tomtom, igo, navigon etc thrash it for gps and you can use them in other cars, the suzuki version is really a rehashed clarion system,

don't waste your money on factory fit gps, get tomtom on your iphone or just buy a new handheld gps and take it with you.
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iPad may be yet another option? Probably too big for the DIN-openings, or on the motorcycle...

What/who is Navit?
Sorry I hope this isn't off topic but is ok to use an iPad as a navigation device? Are there any laws or restrictions on maximum screen size in a car?

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Sorry I hope this isn't off topic but is ok to use an iPad as a navigation device? Are there any laws or restrictions on maximum screen size in a car?

Regards,
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As far as I'm concerned not off topic at all! Good question. The Swiss have rules for everything... But then: would reading your iPad navigation with reading glasses on be allowed while driving?
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Re: Satnav Newbie question

Agree with Bob, think about the unit if it's going on the bike. Will it be mounted on a RAM mount or similar, exposed to the elements, or in a tank bag to keep it waterproof. We seem to have more Tomtoms in the bike group than Garmin.
I do all the route planning on mine, and it's pretty good, so gets my vote if you go for a mobile unit.

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