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Old 25.09.2007, 17:03
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The incident with the motorcyclist was around an hour before we were stopped and we did not see him again in the meantime. I'm guessing that he called the police and he was asked to come into the station to give a statement, which is when we saw him.

I did not mention the motorcyclist initially because (according to the Police), his complaint was NOT the reason why we were stopped. Sorry for any confusion.

As for any grouped association with Gumball or Cannonball type events, there is one vital distinction: those are defined as point to point 'road races' with locations only disclosed at the start of each day. With our type of tour, we follow the examples that car clubs have been running for years, publishing a suggested route book in advance and limiting each day's drive to a maximum of around 6 hours (calculated via route planner) over 10+ hours, with options to take shortcuts as you wish and absolutely no notion of timing or placings. Success is usually measured by having had a nice (uneventful) drive, plenty of photo stops, a nice lunch and a good time at the hotel.

As I said in my first post, we've never had trouble before - if the locals pay any attention, it's always a wave or a thumbs up as opposed to anything negative.
I pretty much can sum this up.

You sound like a responsible driver just out enjoying his driving in Switzerland. I respect that and I think it's nice idea to get some friends together and enjoy driving on some nice twisty roads. A few tales in the evening, over a beer of the days events.

The Swiss coppers are aware lotus's are being used to race around CH.

You're just unlucky mate, regardless of what anyone else has done which you are not responsible for, the coppers have decided to have a clamp down.

There's nothing you can do, no matter how much this "sucks."

You were speeding, so pay the fine and walk away. Tomorrows another day, and next year it will be fine.

(I might add without points on your license!)
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(I might add without points on your license!)
Don't be too sure about that part... There is nothing to stop the Swiss from determining that the driver deserves to be banned and then this will be converted into an English equivalent sentence. Given that a ban is something the English understand then this can be, newly, the sentence imposed by the UK courts on behalf of the Swiss. Note the Swiss cannot ban you but they can ask the UK to ban you - assuming they see fit to do this. Would also be an interesting one to fight if it goes this way as the burden of prrof for the UK is different to Switzerland. And for 80 mph on the motorway you would not get a ban.
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Don't be too sure about that part... There is nothing to stop the Swiss from determining that the driver deserves to be banned and then this will be converted into an English equivalent sentence. Given that a ban is something the English understand then this can be, newly, the sentence imposed by the UK courts on behalf of the Swiss. Note the Swiss cannot ban you but they can ask the UK to ban you - assuming they see fit to do this. Would also be an interesting one to fight if it goes this way as the burden of prrof for the UK is different to Switzerland. And for 80 mph on the motorway you would not get a ban.

Didn't know that! Very interesting to know. Would they actually go to that effort for 80mph?
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Old 25.09.2007, 17:28
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Didn't know that! Very interesting to know. Would they actually go to that effort for 80mph?
Dont forget that 80mph is actually 128.64 Swiss Kmph. And given that the Speed limit was actually 100 that is 28 over the limit. 30 over the limit and your ban is automatic so with 28 it can be dependent on the circumstances. So who knows...

PS I know the figure increased in the translation but thats down to inflation...
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...other than the article linked above which discussed two of the people, presumably on the same event as you, involved in illegal road racing...

It would seem likely that the police had seen, or were aware of, this article, and as such you and your friend were targetted as being "part of the same group". It's really not that big a leap mentally from "group of car enthusiasts" to "car enthusiasts involved in illegal street racing" (as in the article above) to "gumball rally where people died this year."
The article referred to was published after and as a direct result of us getting stopped, although I agree that the press make mental leaps such as you suggest every day in order to sell more newspapers.
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The article referred to was published after and as a direct result of us getting stopped, although I agree that the press make mental leaps such as you suggest every day in order to sell more newspapers.
Ah OK, I must have got the wrong end of the stick . Don't get me wrong I agree that you sound hard done by, but I was just saying how I can see where the Swiss police made the connection, valid or not.
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Old 27.09.2007, 14:40
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Re: Stopped for speeding - what to do / expect?

This is another article which seems to refer to the event.
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«Cannonball Run» in Graubünden?


It seems that 20 drivers were arrested for racing.
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Old 27.09.2007, 15:38
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This is another article which seems to refer to the event.

It seems that 20 drivers were arrested for racing.
Yes, 20 drivers were arrested, but that WAS on a Cannonball / Gumball event. i.e. Illegal road race across Europe.
A completely different event earlier in the year, and nothing to do with Robert UK's Lotus group Alpine tour.
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Old 27.09.2007, 15:52
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In fact, they were 20 bikers, not drivers at all!

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegrap...012770,00.html
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Old 27.09.2007, 16:51
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For reasons beyond my understanding news.ch rearranged and shortened the press agency message and this resulted in a faulty article that suggested that the twenty racers were indeed arrested in their Lotuses instead of several weeks earlier, on their motorcycles, in Valais.

Very sloppy, news.ch...

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Old 27.09.2007, 18:27
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Yes, 20 drivers were arrested, but that WAS on a Cannonball / Gumball event. i.e. Illegal road race across Europe.
A completely different event earlier in the year, and nothing to do with Robert UK's Lotus group Alpine tour.
The article refers to the Lotus event and how two drivers appeared to be racing and performing dangerous maneuvers and were probably part of a group of 50 Lotus car. The fourth paragraph mentions the experience of previous "Cannonball Run" events.

The penultimate paragraph mentions two Lotus Elise being searched for by the police and the last paragraph and the last one mentions that 20 drivers had been previously arrested. Under the circumstances I think it's quite reasonable to conclude that the arrests were, indeed, related to this Lotus event and Nathu obviously agrees this is a reasonable. If the article is not correct, OK, but I was just posting it for interest.

So why the groan ?
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Old 28.09.2007, 14:12
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Re: Stopped for speeding - what to do / expect?

I've "un-groaned" your post... It was directed at the article, not your post itself.

It seems that many newspapers ran the same misleading article.

Does anyone know who the original press agency supplying the item could be ?

And is there an equivalent of a press complaints commission in Switzerland ?
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I've "un-groaned" your post... It was directed at the article, not your post itself.

It seems that many newspapers ran the same misleading article.

Does anyone know who the original press agency supplying the item could be ?

And is there an equivalent of a press complaints commission in Switzerland ?
Thanks for the "un-groan" !
Interested to know how you discovered that the article was wrong i.e. the arrests were related to another incident ?
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Old 28.09.2007, 19:11
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Re: Stopped for speeding - what to do / expect?

News.ch got the article from the news agency Schweizerische Depeschenagentur who in said article mentioned the twenty arrests from few weeks ago. Schweizerische Depeschenagentur probably got the information right of the horse's mouth, that is press releases of the two cantonal polices involved.

Many Swiss news websites and free newspapers get their news mostly from SDA. You'll notice this once you pay attention to all the (SDA) and (sda.) etc. abbreviations in articles.

news.ch doesn't have a contact address for complaints (often called Ombudstelle or Ombudsmann here), but the organisation of Journalists has set up the Swiss press council for disputes, but it's intended more for ethical problems instead of simple "technical" mistakes.

Excuse the off-topic answer.
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Re: Stopped for speeding - what to do / expect?

This incident is not over yet. A report from Schweiz Magazin (German) dated 13th September. I understand it says that the police are still searching witnesses to incidents of dangerous overtaking and high speeds.
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Re: Stopped for speeding - what to do / expect?

yes and to just make it clear a lot of these people driving the latest doing their big thrill e.o.e. are also susceptible to european traffic rules not thzat will make any difference..
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Re: Stopped for speeding - what to do / expect?

does anyone know if you can use the road angel things over here? Or have they been made illegal here?
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Re: Stopped for speeding - what to do / expect?

What to do? Ermm..slow down.

Expect to get stopped again if you don't.

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When the motorcyclist pulled up next to you and started ranting, shaking his fist etc. did you and your passenger look straight ahead without making any form of eye contact and communication? If so, many congratulations on your self control.

In Switzerland, in some cases even if you are banned you can hire cars limited to 45Kms per hour (at least, you can for now, I think the law is changing at the end of the year.)

How about getting a special alpine speed restrictor fitted to the Lotus?

In answer to your specific questions
-what to expect? expect to be treated with courtesy, and
-what to do? pay the fine and stop moaning.
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Re: Stopped for speeding - what to do / expect?

It seems that the big boys were in town yesterday: http://www.20min.ch/news/zuerich/story/10455133

1 million francs fines between them all and they cannot drive in Switzerland.

200kph down the A3 in a convoy gets you this. Shows that the Swiss don't really tolerate a number of cars doing high speeds as they automatically call this racing. When you're rich enough to drive a Ferrari or Aston then you're rich enough to pay a hefty fine.
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