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I think it's possible to keep your UK licence but the only difference is that each authority (UK and CH) will stamp their respective licences showing there is a second licence in issue so if you ever get into trouble they know they have to take two off you instead of one.

This is how a German friend did it with his German and Swiss driver's licence so it's probably the same rule throughout the EU at least.
AFAIAA the only way to manage this is to first, i.e. before licence exchange, get a duplicate issued in your home country, then keep hold of the original. It doesn't make any legal difference - you still do not have a valid UK licence, and if you present it as such you're breaking the law.

When you go back to the UK you will still have to re-exchange the Swiss licence (within the one year timescale, if it's the same there) before you're able to drive on your UK one.

So there's really no reason to do this unless you're planning to use it for some dodgy purpose, like avoiding points... although that would only work in reverse if you'd gone back to the UK even if that were the intention.
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So there's really no reason to do this unless you're planning to use it for some dodgy purpose, like avoiding points... although that would only work in reverse if you'd gone back to the UK even if that were the intention.
Except each licence has a stamp on it warning of a second licence in use (as I mentioned in my earlier post).

As I said, this is how it was handled with a German friend of mine - he had both licences but each were marked as being a second licence.

Getting a second UK licence issued wouldn't work because it would invalidate the first on the assumption you'd lost it and weren't illegally using it as a spare.
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Except each licence has a stamp on it warning of a second licence in use (as I mentioned in my earlier post).

As I said, this is how it was handled with a German friend of mine - he had both licences but each were marked as being a second licence.

Getting a second UK licence issued wouldn't work because it would invalidate the first on the assumption you'd lost it and weren't illegally using it as a spare.
About "each licence has a stamp on it warning of ...."

How will they stamp my plastic card?

I guess you need to ask a lawyer but my view would be that your right to drive in UK is still valid; you paid for your right to driveup to date x.
I do not think the DVLA can simply cancel your right to drive when the Swiss post the piece of paper or plastic card to them; certainly they do not refund the payment.
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About "each licence has a stamp on it warning of ...."

How will they stamp my plastic card?

I guess you need to ask a lawyer but my view would be that your right to drive in UK is still valid; you paid for your right to driveup to date x.
I do not think the DVLA can simply cancel your right to drive when the Swiss post the piece of paper or plastic card to them; certainly they do not refund the payment.
Blimey, I was giving my experience of someone I knew and I did state that it was from elsewhere in the EU - not a Wiki guide to duplicate vehicle licencing in the UK.

I have no idea how they normally tackle it with the new credit card stylie licences it but I know that some people need a licence issued from each country and somehow their boffins work out how to do it.

Of course you can drive on your new Swiss licence in the UK (I've done it dozens of times) and if I ever moved back to the UK I'd change over the licence again.
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Re: Whoops! UK to Ch licence conversion

Just a quick update.

All done. Was very simple. Cost was 135chfs. Will have the licence at the latest on Friday and until then I can't drive as it's over a year (which I knew). UK licence will be returned to DVLA.
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Re: Whoops! UK to Ch licence conversion

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AFAIAA the only way to manage this is to first, i.e. before licence exchange, get a duplicate issued in your home country, then keep hold of the original. It doesn't make any legal difference - you still do not have a valid UK licence, and if you present it as such you're breaking the law.

When you go back to the UK you will still have to re-exchange the Swiss licence (within the one year timescale, if it's the same there) before you're able to drive on your UK one.

So there's really no reason to do this unless you're planning to use it for some dodgy purpose, like avoiding points... although that would only work in reverse if you'd gone back to the UK even if that were the intention.
Actually since the Swiss would send back the duplicate to swansea they may smell a rat if it arrived shortly after they had issued it. In either case if you were stopped and presented the original to the rozzers they would check on their computer, you would suddenly find yourself in hot water since it is illegal under UK law to retain the "lost licence" if you find it again. This is an imprisonable offence BTW.
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Except each licence has a stamp on it warning of a second licence in use (as I mentioned in my earlier post).

As I said, this is how it was handled with a German friend of mine - he had both licences but each were marked as being a second licence.

Getting a second UK licence issued wouldn't work because it would invalidate the first on the assumption you'd lost it and weren't illegally using it as a spare.
But in either case, once you've exchanged it for a Swiss one, the original is not valid in it's issuing country or anywhere else. You can't legally have two licences, unless you decide to take the test from scratch in a new country, in which case I think you have to be very careful to hide the existence of the first one.
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But in either case, once you've exchanged it for a Swiss one, the original is not valid in it's issuing country or anywhere else. You can't legally have two licences, unless you decide to take the test from scratch in a new country, in which case I think you have to be very careful to hide the existence of the first one.
You CAN legally have two licences - my German colleague has a German and Swiss licence, each one marked as being a second licence. The respective driving authorities MUST know about it otherwise they wouldn't have marked them up, would they?

I think it is the exception but obviously special circumstances accommodate it. I think in his case it was because he had two residences - one in Germany and one in Switzerland, each with a car registered either side of the border. But it could have been an arrangement because of his work because he does a lot of driving for his company both here and up in Germany.
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But in either case, once you've exchanged it for a Swiss one, the original is not valid in it's issuing country or anywhere else. You can't legally have two licences, unless you decide to take the test from scratch in a new country, in which case I think you have to be very careful to hide the existence of the first one.
About "You can't legally have two licences"

Under which law exactly?
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About "You can't legally have two licences"

Under which law exactly?
Phrased it badly, but under the agreements between European nations that allow you, indeed require you, to exchange one country's licence for another's, you have to give up the first licence, and any entitlement from it, to get the second one. The original one is cancelled in its issuing state, so whether you have a physical copy of a licence or not, it's no longer valid.

As I said, some people take a new test in a new country, and thereby retain their original licence too, but I'm not so sure about the legality of that.
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You CAN legally have two licences - my German colleague has a German and Swiss licence, each one marked as being a second licence. The respective driving authorities MUST know about it otherwise they wouldn't have marked them up, would they?
I think you're misunderstanding. The issuing authorities may have given him a duplicate, but if he used the original to get a new one in the other country, then whether he retains a physical copy of the duplicate or not is irrelevant.

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I think it is the exception but obviously special circumstances accommodate it. I think in his case it was because he had two residences - one in Germany and one in Switzerland, each with a car registered either side of the border. But it could have been an arrangement because of his work because he does a lot of driving for his company both here and up in Germany.
I think he's been misinformed, or else, as I suggested elsewhere, he took the test in both countries independently.
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I think you're misunderstanding. The issuing authorities may have given him a duplicate, but if he used the original to get a new one in the other country, then whether he retains a physical copy of the duplicate or not is irrelevant.
He doesn't have a duplicate anything. He's got two separate and original licences both with the knowledge of the two countries. What is to be misunderstood?
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Phrased it badly, but under the agreements between European nations that allow you, indeed require you, to exchange one country's licence for another's, you have to give up the first licence, and any entitlement from it, to get the second one. The original one is cancelled in its issuing state, so whether you have a physical copy of a licence or not, it's no longer valid.

As I said, some people take a new test in a new country, and thereby retain their original licence too, but I'm not so sure about the legality of that.
about "under the agreements between European nations"
Any idea where to find the UK/CH agreement?
I found an internal EU agreement that was approved by the European Parliament.
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