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Old 18.10.2011, 10:45
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Is there a specific date in CH when (before) you HAVE to put winter tyres?
No there isn't, as others have said.

Indeed there is no legal requirement to have them at all. Although there will be some roads & conditions that you're not legal on unless you have either winter tyres or chains snowchains fitted, but you do have the option of simply not driving on them. If you only use a car for in-town driving, you may prefer to just get more all-round tyres for summer and winter use, rather than dedicated seasonal ones.
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Old 18.10.2011, 11:03
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Re: Changing Winter Tires

Getting my tyres changed tomorrow. Costs approx CHF50 and they'll at least make sure wheels are aligned properly than doing it yourself. Winter tyres are made for winter, as opposed to snow, due to temperature decrease. If you live in the mountains, or travel there frequently, it's highly recommended to have winter tyres as opposed to all weather. At least that's what the Valaisan all say... And to change tyres every 30'000km for safety reasons.
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Old 18.10.2011, 11:13
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If you're doing it yourself, now, before it gets too cold.
If you'll go to a garage, before everyone else heads there to have it done.
So, in either case, do it now.
You should have picked up a nice pair of mechanics gloves from the Zurich Motorshow - believe it or not, they were cheaper than similar gloves in the UK
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If you live in the mountains, or travel there frequently, it's highly recommended to have winter tyres as opposed to all weather. At least that's what the Valaisan all say... And to change tyres every 30'000km for safety reasons.
What? Why? I mean, 30000km is probably more than many tyres will last in terms of wear, but if there's still enough tread left, and assuming they're not 10 years old and perishing, they should be perfectly usable still.

Is it just Valaisans, or do the Wallisers agree?
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Old 18.10.2011, 11:57
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Theoretically whatever drive you have - the best tyres should be on the front. Not gaining traction can be solved with chains - not being able to steer/brake efficiently is usually solved by a tree.
This is not correct. The better two tyres should be on the rear.
http://editorial.autos.msn.com/artic...umentid=434704

If the rears break away due to sliding, there will be likely be oversteer, i.e. a much more profound and difficult-to-control effect on your car's intended direction than if the fronts slide (likely to induce understeer), especially an a RWD. The weight of the engine, assuming front-engined, will compensate to a degree for the lesser tread on the fronts.

The tyres may be asymmetric and yet bi-directional. Unidirectional tyres will be marked on the tyrewall by an arrow for the direction of rotation. "Outside" marked on the tyrewall does not indicate that the tyres are unidirectional, only that they are asymmetric, which is only a concern for mounting the tyres on the rims, not of mounting the wheels on the car.

Contrary to earlier advice here, if you're going to save the money changing the wheels yourself, at least invest in a torque wrench and look up the settings for your car (freely available on the internet (just google your make of car and "wheel nut torque settings"). Incorrectly adjusted wheelnuts can result in
- a thread sheer, if overtightened, which is more expensive (relative to the price of a torque wrench) and very inconvenient to repair
- the wheel can begin to fall off if undertightened, the cost of which could be catastrophic.
(Both the above have happened to me and I now use a torque-wrench).

All this considered, from your question, I suggest you go to a garage. It's not really worth the accident.
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Getting my tyres changed tomorrow. Costs approx CHF50 and they'll at least make sure wheels are aligned properly than doing it yourself.
I'm pretty sure nobody in Switzerland will do wheels alignment for just CHF50, they'll just change your wheels and that's it
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Re: Changing Winter Tires

I remember seeing ads in the co-op around Monthey and the village of Champéry (Valais) last year, where small garages were charging around CHF50-75 max to change tyres (This can obviously go up to CHF150, depending on where you go). I go to Emil Frey in St-Legier, above Vevey, where I bought my car, and have all my services done. I have a subaru legacy 4x4, so straight forward change. They also store the tyres for me. I do recall storage being around CHF50 per season, and the service takes around 30min max. I'll let you know when I pick up the car and get the cost breakdown. Perhaps the Zurich area is just more expensive...
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I'm pretty sure nobody in Switzerland will do wheels alignment for just CHF50, they'll just change your wheels and that's it
Most likely the poster meant to write "balanced"
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Most likely the poster meant to write "balanced"
Oh yeah, especialy if you wanna change just tires, and not whole wheels.
But I don't think anybody here would change tires at home, whould you?
p.s. I have complete set of winter tires on rims already and I'm gonna change them myself
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Oh yeah, especialy if you wanna change just tires, and not whole wheels.
But I don't think anybody here would change tires at home, whould you?
p.s. I have complete set of winter tires on rims already and I'm gonna change them myself
Not the OP, the poster you quoted as saying his garage charges CHF50 for alignment. Even if I have my winter tires on rims I would have them spin-balanced each year as my car (my wife)has a knack for smacking curbs.
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Re: Changing Winter Tires

The better tires goes on the rear...
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This is not correct. The better two tyres should be on the rear.
http://editorial.autos.msn.com/artic...umentid=434704
No, _that_ is not correct. It's talking about normal driving conditions, not snow, where an entirely different set of circumstances apply. Plus it's an American piece, very much geared towards American cars, roads and driving styles, which are very different from what we get over here.
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If the rears break away due to sliding,
Which is really not a common problem in snow, unless you're just gassing it with steering lock applied, in which case you deserve all you get.

The common problem in snow is understeer, or nosteer, when you turn the front wheels and nothing happens. Rapidly followed by nobrake, as you lock the fronts and continue to move on forwards. For these problems better front grip is the first and easiest remedy to apply.
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All this considered, from your question, I suggest you go to a garage. It's not really worth the accident.
I'd suggest that trying to gain a proper understanding of how a car behaves in winter conditions may be a good starting point. Asking a garage will nearly always result in simply paying more money, often with no real gain, either in safety or knowledge.
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Old 21.10.2011, 13:04
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Re: Changing Winter Tires

anyone know what the average cost for a 16-17inch rim with winter tires would cost?
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anyone know what the average cost for a 16-17inch rim with winter tires would cost?
I don't think you'll find steel rims in that size. When I bought my Passat R36 I was really annoyed that a) I couldn't fit 15" (or even 16") rims over the brake calipers and b) that meant I had to buy a brand new set of 17" alloys. I think they were something like 1500chf complete and fitted, from the VW main dealer.

I may be wrong about the 16" steel rims, actually, so best check to be safe.
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Re: Changing Winter Tires

I had to buy 17" rims for my Golf R32 (18" standard) but the cost of the rims and new tyres was less than 18" winter tyres alone so it wasn't too bad. I did have to hunt around for rims that wouldn't foul the calipers though...
I didn't go a main dealer though, their tyre prices were completely unrealistic - ouch!
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I had to buy 17" rims for my Golf R32 (18" standard) but the cost of the rims and new tyres was less than 18" winter tyres alone so it wasn't too bad. I did have to hunt around for rims that wouldn't foul the calipers though...
I didn't go a main dealer though, their tyre prices were completely unrealistic - ouch!
Would you mind sharing where you got your alloys?

I desperately need to buy set of 4 to put winter tyres on.
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"I don't think you'll find steel rims in that size". I put my 16" steel rims on today.
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"I don't think you'll find steel rims in that size". I put my 16" steel rims on today.
"I may be wrong about the 16" steel rims, actually, so best check to be safe."
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I got my rims from Euromaster (they were made by Ronal). This was 4 years ago now, but they still sell alloys as far as I know.
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Re: Changing Winter Tires

I need help,

i want to get a tire/rim combo for winter for my golf 5x112 is the pattern.

I have 16inch rims, any approx guess as to how much i can expect to pay at a shop for this? I went to the famous tire website and i noticed tires were 106/tire for winter tires.

I need them asap as snow will come soon,
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