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Old 17.10.2011, 15:28
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Re: Driving Ban (PLEASE HELP!)

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This is a direct quote from the letter:
"Sur la base des pieces figurant a votre dossier, nous envisageons de prononcer une mesure d'interdiction de conduire en suisse a votre encontre pour l'infraction ci-dessous:
Non respect de la priorite en quittant une artere declassee par un signal <<STOP>>, avec accident commis le 2 septembre 2011."

The word they use is prohibition (so I assume its just a suspension?).

Has anyone experienced this kind of offence? Any idea what my suspension is likely to be?
So there was a "Stop" sign there, and you went through a "Stop" signal and caused damage to property.

Unfortunately, that's usually a "medium" violation (injuries for an innocent party = severe violation) and a 30 day ban for first time offenders (e.g. this poor chap from canton St. Gallen). Sorry for the bad news.

ETA as per sky's post: you haven't been banned yet. They invite you to tell them your side of the story. But a ban still is the likely outcome unfortunately.

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Re: Driving Ban (PLEASE HELP!)

It says that you didn't stop at an intersection with a STOP sign. I guess in UK the stops means the same non? So they might took that decision based on a rebel attitude instead of mistake....
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Re: Driving Ban (PLEASE HELP!)

Ok I will do, thanks.
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so... just how long are these driving bans??? I thought it would be permanent if it's a "ban". Seems "suspension" would be a more appropriate word if it's only for a short duration..
The term "ban" is the normal British English usage for a temporary withdrawal of licence, which the USAians seem to refer to as "suspension".
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Re: Driving Ban (PLEASE HELP!)

I did stop. I just then looked the wrong way and began to pull out, that's when I hit someone. It just says that I had no respect for priority when leaving an intersection marked STOP, doesn't it?
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I did stop. I just then looked the wrong way and began to pull out, that's when I hit someone. It just says that I had no respect for priority when leaving an intersection marked STOP, doesn't it?
Yes exactly what it says.
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I did stop. I just then looked the wrong way and began to pull out, that's when I hit someone. It just says that I had no respect for priority when leaving an intersection marked STOP, doesn't it?
Might want to delete this post since it incriminates you for exactly what they said you did.
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Old 17.10.2011, 15:41
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This is a direct quote from the letter:
"Sur la base des pieces figurant a votre dossier, nous envisageons de prononcer une mesure d'interdiction de conduire en suisse a votre encontre pour l'infraction ci-dessous:
Non respect de la priorite en quittant une artere declassee par un signal <<STOP>>, avec accident commis le 2 septembre 2011."

The word they use is prohibition (so I assume its just a suspension?).

Has anyone experienced this kind of offence? Any idea what my suspension is likely to be?
There is a difference between a minor infringement (i.e. speeding at less than 20km/h - all of these or on the official government list (or german)), a medium infringement (endangering other people) or heavy infringement (driving despite being banned, escaping from an accident scene). See here (in German)

Given that you caused an accident by running a STOP-sign, that would be classed as a medium infringement. As far as I know, all things not on the list are at least considered "medium". If you have committed a medium infringement for the first time, the minimum ban is one month - but the exact time will be decided in court.

So if you believe that you DID NOT run the STOP-sign, than I would definitely contest. If however you did and admitted to do so, than there is not much you can do, other than hoping you can take the 1 month ban at a time that suits you. Not sure about the procedure there. Sorry for the bad news, hope the advice is helpful!
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This is a direct quote from the letter:
"Sur la base des pieces figurant a votre dossier, nous envisageons de prononcer une mesure d'interdiction de conduire en suisse a votre encontre pour l'infraction ci-dessous:
Non respect de la priorite en quittant une artere declassee par un signal <<STOP>>, avec accident commis le 2 septembre 2011."

The word they use is prohibition (so I assume its just a suspension?).

Has anyone experienced this kind of offence? Any idea what my suspension is likely to be?
Roughly translated it says;
'Based on evidence in your dossier, we are considering imposing a driving ban in Switzerland after the traffic offence cited below;
Non respect of priority when exiting from a road with a STOP sign, thereby causing an accident on the 2nd of September'.

You might manage to delay things a few months by questioning things, but I understand that this counts as a major traffic violation and you'll almost certainly get a one month ban, a fine and quite possibly a suspended longer ban (which is enforced if you cause further problems). As it's your first offence you need to speak to the police office that sent the letter, preferably with a french-speaker to translate if at all possible. Be warned, they're very keen on 'giving way to priority traffic' here.

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Re: Driving Ban (PLEASE HELP!)

My father was here on holiday in July and went through a red light in the residential area of Morges (VD). Not good. The car he was driving, was registered to my brother who received the CHF250 amende/ fine a few days later. As my father was "the one in question", he wrote a letter to the local police inspector, in English saying he was foreign, it was raining heavily, he was confused, and lost which was true, even with the GPS. As we said he'd never get away with it and so didn't bother translating it into French for him, the letter was sent off in English. After receiving the letter, the policeman phoned him and he went to see him. They had a chat. They looked at the photo showing him in the car breaking the light. As there was no oncoming traffic, and therefore no lives were in danger, they decided to let him off with a warning. Luck of the Irish? He does have a way with words, but the law is the law. We were all surprised. Or perhaps worth writing a letter and explaining your situation?
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Re: Driving Ban (PLEASE HELP!)

Yeah it is helpful, thanks. Does anyone know how long these decisions tend to take? As I've said before, taking it over the xmas holidays would be perfect, but will it take longer than that to be resolved?
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Old 17.10.2011, 15:47
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Might want to delete this post since it incriminates you for exactly what they said you did.
You're not exactly helping the cause by re-posting and therefore strengthening the evidence against him!
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Old 17.10.2011, 15:51
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Yeah it is helpful, thanks. Does anyone know how long these decisions tend to take? As I've said before, taking it over the xmas holidays would be perfect, but will it take longer than that to be resolved?
I wouldn`t let them make the decision on your ban but get involved in the process as soon as possible by contacting the police office that sent the letter. But it kind of sounds as if you already accepted a ban and the only questions left are when and for how long.
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I confessed that I'd only been in the country for 1 week and was still getting used to driving on the right hand side (that was the cause of the accident- I looked the wrong way before pulling out
Pulling out into the path of traffic at a junction is quite a serious error, so even though there was not much damage (probably thanks to the other drivers reactions) it is a bad thing to do and I'm not surprised that you might get a ban if the police considered it dangerous driving.
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Be warned, they're very keen on 'giving way to traffic coming from the right' here.
Not respecting "priorite a droite" is one thing. Stopping at a "Stop" signal and overlooking an oncoming car is another.
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Old 17.10.2011, 15:54
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Given that you caused an accident by running a STOP-sign
That is not what it says, it says that he failed to give priority at an intersection with a stop sign, a big difference.

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That is not what it says, it says that he failed to give priority at an intersection with a stop sign, a big difference.

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pulling out in front of a car after you stopped is just as bad as running (I assume that means not stopping at) a stop sign...

In fact it's worse, because you stopped, but then started again without looking to check it was clear...
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Old 17.10.2011, 16:02
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That is not what it says, it says that he failed to give priority at an intersection with a stop sign, a big difference.

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Agree that you're right about what it actually says. Not sure I agree about the big difference thing. Both are considered a serious traffic infringement.
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Old 17.10.2011, 16:13
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Re: Driving Ban (PLEASE HELP!)

Good job we're all experts at driving here. There must be a block on the Swiss license which asks if you've been positively vetted and approved by the EF traffic enforcement agency.
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Old 17.10.2011, 16:14
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In fact it's worse, because you stopped, but then started again without looking to check it was clear...
He did look, just he looked the wrong way still thinking he's in hemel hempstead!

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