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Old 17.10.2011, 17:24
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That is not what it says, it says that he failed to give priority at an intersection with a stop sign, a big difference.

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Which is something that the locals have never , ever done .... at all

Well, maybe most of the time, and also at roundabouts !!
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Re: Driving Ban (PLEASE HELP!)

"He'll probably get away with crucifixtion"

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Old 17.10.2011, 17:41
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Old 17.10.2011, 17:58
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Re: Driving Ban (PLEASE HELP!)

Ok, here is the deal:

A) "I am new in the country and have never driven on the right side of the road before - I think I looked into the wrong way..."

Sounds like gross negligence to me and the authorities can argue that the other cars' bumper could just as well have been a granny. So it is really not a smart way to argue.

B) "I saw the oncoming car, slowed down, but somehow slipped from my clutch. The car jumped forward into the lane. I know it's really clumsy but that's what happened."

Might still get you a ban, but you have a much higher chance. (I btw did not make this explanation up - it's what a friend of mine, daughter of a cop, was told by her dad to tell the judge - worked in her case as they didn't count it as major mistake anymore.)

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Old 17.10.2011, 18:03
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I did stop. I just then looked the wrong way and began to pull out, that's when I hit someone. It just says that I had no respect for priority when leaving an intersection marked STOP, doesn't it?
In case someone hasn't said it, the equivalent in the UK would be driving without due care and attention, which in the UK (anyway) used to be a minimum 4 points on your licence ++ if you were unlucky in front of a judge.

Here it is "middle serious" and you will get a 30 day ban.

Mine *ahem* was after a serious accident, but luckily no alcohol and no speeding - just... you got it... driving without due care and attention.

You'll get a ban + a fine + an admin fee (yeah, just another fine). You have some leeway about when the ban can start, you just have to hand in your licence and they post it back to you when your ban is about to end. However, what you can't do is say "I'll take my ban over Christmas when I'll be taking my holiday in the Maldives".

Public transport not an option? What about a moped - I believe that if they are restricted to under 30 kph, you can still drive/ride those...
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Re: Driving Ban (PLEASE HELP!)

Thanks everyone for your input.
I'm going to leave it in the trusted hands of my car insurance mogul for a few days and see what he and his lawyer dad can come up with.

P.S. Crucifixion's a doddle.
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Old 17.10.2011, 20:10
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...I just then looked the wrong way and began to pull out, that's when I hit someone...
A fairly signficant cause of foreigner injury/deaths is looking the wrong way when crossing the road. (Also, soldiers/expats returning home). Tip. When in a foreign country - driving or walking - look both ways before doing anything.
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Re: Driving Ban (PLEASE HELP!)

Is there absolutely no way you can continue to do your job using public transport? Or perhaps hire an EFer to drive you during the ban - as there are a few looking for jobs.

Tough- but I am not surprised they are considering that you were driving without due care - it is so lucky only bumpers were damaged but it could have been so much worse- a temporary ban is the least of your worries. When I first drove in London, I'd only just passed my test in CH- but as said above, the most dangerous thing was crossing the road as a pedestrian!
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Old 17.10.2011, 20:18
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contest it, but the ban is usually able to be delayed to a time of your choosing. if you're a woman, getting pregnant and taking the ban during maternity leave is a good way to optimise the situation.
WTF? You're kidding right? This answer is wrong on so many counts I hope it's a joke.
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Old 17.10.2011, 20:43
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Re: Driving Ban (PLEASE HELP!)

Question: Can the Swiss police take away a UK license? It's clear they can ban Swiss driving license holders, but anyone know how they would enforce this ban? So many Brits just reapply to Swansea for a replacement license and then they're on the way if there is no UK ban enforced.
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Re: Driving Ban (PLEASE HELP!)

Interesting question. Surely they communicate the ban to the DVLA! Wouldn't they take the licence away and send it back to the DVLA with the appropriate information (as they do for instance when you change your licence over to a Swiss one).
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WTF? You're kidding right? This answer is wrong on so many counts I hope it's a joke.
The bit about deferring the ban is correct. You can pick a time which is convenient to you to have the ban. This only applies to a suspension, though. If they decide to permanently take your licence away, that starts without delay with no say from the defendant.
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Question: Can the Swiss police take away a UK license? It's clear they can ban Swiss driving license holders, but anyone know how they would enforce this ban? So many Brits just reapply to Swansea for a replacement license and then they're on the way if there is no UK ban enforced.
But it says he will be banned from driving here, no? I don't get how you don't look both ways regardless of which country you usually drive in. I'm (still, they are über-strict here!) taking driving lessons and the instructor is really particular about that sort of thing. Admitting to not looking sounds like a bad idea if you absolutely must keep your license. But then I also strongly recommend you taking a few "refresher" lessons for driving here if you really rely on driving for your job. There are a few differences, both with the signs and how things are handled. At least according to my mum who learnt to drive in Britain.
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Re: Driving Ban (PLEASE HELP!)

Traffic penalties are one of the biggest cash cows for Swiss regional and local governments...which I believe is one reason why many offences, which in other countries would be an on-the-spot fine, are dealt with through the court system.

I have actually heard of many cases of people involved in minor accidents being fined and/or being banned from driving. And this doesn't only apply to car drivers..there was a publicised case of a elderly lady who fell off her bike...because police were called (injured/transported to hospital) she was sent a fine for "not maintaining control of a vehicle).

The Swiss traffic fine system needs a huge overhaul. Priority should be on alcohol and occupant restraints, in my PROFESSIONAL opinion the biggest contributors to serious injury/fatal accidents in this country.
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They can ban you in Switzerland but not outside.

Contrariwise if you are banned in UK the Swiss will also ban you
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Traffic penalties are one of the biggest cash cows for Swiss regional and local governments...which I believe is one reason why many offences, which in other countries would be an on-the-spot fine, are dealt with through the court system.

I have actually heard of many cases of people involved in minor accidents being fined and/or being banned from driving. And this doesn't only apply to car drivers..there was a publicised case of a elderly lady who fell off her bike...because police were called (injured/transported to hospital) she was sent a fine for "not maintaining control of a vehicle).

The Swiss traffic fine system needs a huge overhaul. Priority should be on alcohol and occupant restraints, in my PROFESSIONAL opinion the biggest contributors to serious injury/fatal accidents in this country.

If you ride a bike here & are over the limit then they will ban you from car driving; but they do not ban you from riding a bike - I mean a bike you pedal not a motorbike. never could figure out the rationale.

Worse in Germany; if you are a pedestrian & cause a traffic incident; for example, reel off the pavement & cause a car to brake then they will ban you from driving.
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Old 17.10.2011, 22:20
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Re: Driving Ban (PLEASE HELP!)

In Australia you can get crucified lose your driving licence for riding a horse while drunk!
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They can't take it away, but they can ban him here from driving on it. That is exactly what happened to a friend of mine- minor violation while driving on a French license. Friend was required to apply for a Swiss license and could no longer use the French one on Swiss territory.
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Re: Driving Ban (PLEASE HELP!)

Don't want to sound harsh to the OP- we've all made mistakes, but ...
let's imagine one of our friends of family was seriously injured or worse, by a 'foreigner' who did not understand or take care of Swiss driving regs and conditions.

Thank goodness that did not happen. But it is worth reminding all that when driving abroad in very different conditions, you have to be even more aware and check, double check. A great idea mentioned above to have a few lessons on arrival, and study the road code- whatever age, and however good a driver.
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Traffic penalties are one of the biggest cash cows for Swiss regional and local governments...which I believe is one reason why many offences, which in other countries would be an on-the-spot fine, are dealt with through the court system.
Is that really true? I mean, what are the annual expenses of the average resident for taxes, and how much for traffic fines? In 45 years of driving cars, I paid 35 CHF for fines but many hundreds of thousands for taxes. Even if I were an absolute road bully, I might have paid maybe 0.1 % of my taxes for traffic penalties. Without seeing real figures I cannot believe that traffic fines are more than just a marginal item in the budget of cantons and cities.
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