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Old 17.10.2011, 23:26
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Is that really true? I mean, what are the annual expenses of the average resident for taxes, and how much for traffic fines? In 45 years of driving cars, I paid 35 CHF for fines but many hundreds of thousands for taxes. Even if I were an absolute road bully, I might have paid maybe 0.1 % of my taxes for traffic penalties. Without seeing real figures I cannot believe that traffic fines are more than just a marginal item in the budget of cantons and cities.
No, it's not true, the poster is out of touch with reality.

My total fines in 25 years in CH are more than yours, but less than CHF 1000.

My annual road taxes on my vehicles are somewhere between 500 and 100, so basically, fines are less than 5% over my lifetime of driving taxes here.

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Hi,
I had a minor accident on 2nd September 2011 (a dent in both our bumpers and no injuries). I received the charges (CHF 550) in a letter last week, but today I received another letter informing me that they were going to ban me from driving in Switzerland and Liechtenstein! I NEED to be able to drive for work and have been driving incident-free for 6 weeks since the accident.

They say I have 20 days to lodge an appeal, does anyone know what I should do? What are my chances of escaping a ban? How long are these bans? Can I choose when I start it? Are there any other options?

PLEASE help as soon as possible.
Any information you have would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Christi
Be thankful it was only a car you hit and not a tram !

The word accident doesn't exist in the country. You are lucky you weren't banged up or deported for this ! Welcome to Switzerland .......
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Old 17.10.2011, 23:35
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They can ban you in Switzerland but not outside.

Contrariwise if you are banned in UK the Swiss will also ban you
Now thats a thought ..... OP nows your time to escape mate while you have still got your license!
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a tram, or a child, granny, mother ...?
We all make mistakes, and most of us were lucky to get away with it. But dangerous driving is ... dangerous, and should be challenged, surely.
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No, it's not true, the poster is out of touch with reality.

My total fines in 25 years in CH are more than yours, but less than CHF 1000.

My annual road taxes on my vehicles are somewhere between 500 and 100, so basically, fines are less than 5% over my lifetime of driving taxes here.

Tom
What I meant was not just driving taxes but taxes in general. Litespeed wrote, "Traffic penalties are one of the biggest cash cows for Swiss regional and local governments." The biggest cash cow sure is taxes, all sorts of them. Compared to those amounts, traffic fines are a cash cows boogers.
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Be thankful it was only a car you hit and not a tram !

The word accident doesn't exist in the country. You are lucky you weren't banged up or deported for this ! Welcome to Switzerland .......
It's not an accident if you didn't bother to read the rules and learn to drive in accordance with them, it's irresponsible behaviour. But many people seem to feel that they are above the rules, despite actually having learned them again and again. One example: What I don't understand is how so many Swiss completely fail to indicate (I almost drove into a blooming Ferrari on Saturday because he suddenly decided go right instead of straight ahead, without indicating) despite having exactly that drummed into us during theory and practice when learning to drive.

I guess they have to make it hurt not to know/flout the rules, as there seems to be no other way to make sure people actually bother to stick to them, at least for some. However, most people I know didn't pass their driving test in the first attempt because there are so many things you can do wrong here, so maybe there is scope for some change. The first thing I would do away with is automatic right of way for pedestrians anywhere near a pedestrian crossing as well as implementing stricter penalties for people crossing where they shouldn't. Like the family with kids who thought it was a bright idea to wander out on to the road from behind a lorry the other day. Thankfully nobody was harmed except from me ageing by about five years.
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Old 18.10.2011, 00:03
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They haven't decided yet.
They're indicating that there are elements in your file which supports this possible decision.

Find a French speaker to help you and call them personally.
I second that
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We all make mistakes, and most of us were lucky to get away with it. But dangerous driving is ... dangerous, and should be challenged, surely.
I don't see it as dangerous driving at all. It is what it is, unfortunatly a mistake which caused an accident , it really is as simple as that. In my opinion perhaps a fine for an offence but NOT a ban. You can say the same thing about a learner driver , we all have made mistakes as learner drivers. His problem was that he was honest , probably best to have kept his mouth shut!

The guy is from the UK , like I am and something that might appear very natural to left hand drivers in a left hand driving country sure as hell is not the same when you are taught right hand driving and live in a right hand driving country which also has different road layouts.

Accidents happen ! Thankfully nobody was hurt.

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I don't see it as dangerous driving at all. It is what it is, unfortunatly a mistake which caused an accident
But when you drive a car you have a responsibility to drive it safely, which is why they have tests and licences...

In one respect it is just a simple mistake, but it is a dangerous mistake that cannot be made if you are to be considered fit to drive a motor vehicle.
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Old 18.10.2011, 00:17
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I don't see it as dangerous driving at all. It is what it is, unfortunatly a mistake which caused an accident , it really is as simple as that.
Accidents happen ! Thankfully nobody was hurt.
First of all - how do you know nobody was hurt? And if something that causes an accident is NOT dangerous driving, what is????

Riding a motorbike as my main use of transport has made me think a lot about driving in general. Basically you learn not to trust anybody else on the road, because just "a little mistake" on their behalf, can cause serious injury to you. So I have to disagree with you here - turning out of a stop street can be deadly. The exact same thing happened to me a few years back - I was on the ground with a broken foot before I knew what on earth was going on!
Noone has the "right" to own a licence. If you make a mistake, it's only fair that you're punished accordingly.
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Old 18.10.2011, 00:20
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I fully understand the difficulty- I passed my test in CH at 18 and within weeks I was driving in central London in a TR6, so believe me, I know. I actually passed 3 driving licences in one year! But not looking both ways on leaving a stop is not a just a minor mistake and could have resulted in severe injury or worse. When you go abroad and drive, it is YOUR responsibility to take extra care and to acquaint yourself with different signs, rules and regulations.

A fine and the temporary loss of licence will help 'focus the mind somewhat' - and the very least of his worries. Count your blessings I'd say. (I spent 2 years in hospital, 2 years to learn to walk again, and now my mangled leg is getting worse all the time- due to someone's dangerous driving).

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Hi,
I had a minor accident on 2nd September 2011 (a dent in both our bumpers and no injuries). I received the charges (CHF 550) in a letter last week, but today I received another letter informing me that they were going to ban me from driving in Switzerland and Liechtenstein! I NEED to be able to drive for work and have been driving incident-free for 6 weeks since the accident.

They say I have 20 days to lodge an appeal, does anyone know what I should do? What are my chances of escaping a ban? How long are these bans? Can I choose when I start it? Are there any other options?

PLEASE help as soon as possible.
Any information you have would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Christi
My brother in law got banned for life ,he did a lot of walking after
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And if something that causes an accident is NOT dangerous driving, what is????
I think dangerous driving is .... Driving drunk, drugs, tired at the wheel , using a mobile phone conversation or texting , driving without glasses if needed, speeding excessively, lane changing in tunnels, overtaking on the inside, driving an unroadworthy vechicle and many more more things

I realise Swiss people here don't agree with me , but its obvious to me what happened from what he said. So I think I will agree to disagree with everyone here who doesn't believe accidents happen.
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CosmicGirl, this has nothing to do with being Swiss, or British or whatever. Dangerous driving is just ... dangerous driving.

It does not bear thinking about, but imagine your child, your granny, your best friend, run over by someone who is not aware of local driving conditions, like a Swiss person is London or Yorkshire driving on the wrong side of the road, or looking the wrong way at a junction - do you then say 'oh didams, never mind, poor thins didn't know any better? Would you? Or if an old man does the same, do you say, poor old bloke, he has a good heart so never mind, it was just his Alzheimers, etc. Or a pregnant woman- just her hormones.

My last post on this subject. But the OP should count his blessings that a fine and a temporary loss of licence is the worst that can happen, and take it as a warning that extra care is required when driving abroad.
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I fully understand the difficulty- I passed my test in CH at 18 and within weeks I was driving in central London in a TR6, so believe me, I know. But not looking both ways on leaving a stop is not a just a minor mistake and could have resulted in severe injury or worse. When you go abroad and drive, it is YOUR responsibility to take extra care and to acquaint yourself with different signs, rules and regulations.

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Yep its not easy is it ! When I go back to the UK for holidays its hard for me now to remember which way to look. Sometimes to keep switching sides of the roads in countries can be really confusing. I don't think some people here realise who have never driven on both sides of the road and steering wheels left and right side how that can happen.
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I realise Swiss people here don't agree with me , but its obvious to me what happened from what he said. So I think I will agree to disagree with everyone here who doesn't believe accidents happen.
You nailed it. Only the Swiss here value lives and think offenders should be punished. All EF-Members of all other nationalities think accidents are cool and should be tolerated. Well it's pretty obvious, seeing what a stuck-up, over-regulated place this country here is really...
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Good job we're all experts at driving here. There must be a block on the Swiss license which asks if you've been positively vetted and approved by the EF traffic enforcement agency.
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I think dangerous driving is .... Driving drunk, drugs, tired at the wheel , using a mobile phone conversation or texting , driving without glasses if needed, speeding excessively, lane changing in tunnels, overtaking on the inside, driving an unroadworthy vechicle and many more more things
What's wrong with changing lanes in a tunnel??? If you drive carefully and leave enough room that is as safe and as legal as doing it just about anywhere else... I presume we're talking multi-lane highway tunnels here btw.
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. Well it's pretty obvious, seeing what a stuck-up, over-regulated place this country here is really...
I couldn't have said it better myself .

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Re: Driving Ban (PLEASE HELP!)

If you pull out from a stop you have to look left and right surely? If you are turning right if you forget traffic may come from your left... wouldn't you also take the wrong side of the road?
Maybe I'm being thick but I am years driving on the right but still paranoid I will forget and drive on left one day!
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