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There was no drugs/alcohol etc. I think I was given the ban because I confessed that I'd only been in the country for 1 week and was still getting used to driving on the right hand side (that was the cause of the accident- I looked the wrong way before pulling out).
You really should have looked both ways. I hope you understand the other road rules here such as giving way to the right (no matter how small the side street is).
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Old 18.10.2011, 07:57
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No, it's not true, the poster is out of touch with reality.


Tom
Would you like to ring the tagesanzeiger and tell them they are out of touch with reality as well? No,didn't think so...

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/zuerich/...story/11993824
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Old 18.10.2011, 09:53
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Ignoring stop sings is a hobby of mine ,not into oncoming traffic of course
That's because you live in Canada.

Worst is, most Canadians actually think they are stopping, because they think that a "rolling stop" is considered stopping!

(been there, seen it, been in cars with Canadian drivers)

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Be thankful it was only a car you hit and not a tram !

The word accident doesn't exist in the country. You are lucky you weren't banged up or deported for this ! Welcome to Switzerland .......
I think the other guy involved in the accident (which collided with our OP) is probably seeing that accidents do happen in Switzerland, don't you think?

That poor guy is not being banned or fined or blamed for anything is he? He's saddled with sorting out his insurance, arranging to get the damage repaired, probably having to take time off work and do without his car for the duration.

The OP would also be done for driving without due care and attention in the UK and depending on circumstances could have either points on his licence, a fine or a ban, just the same as here. Why should he get off scott-free under the hazy banner of "it was only an accident."
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Would you like to ring the tagesanzeiger and tell them they are out of touch with reality as well? No,didn't think so...

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/zuerich/...story/11993824
70 Million? Wow. The annual budget of the City of Zürich (not "Zürich City!) is around 8 billion CHF. In other words, that so called "one of the biggest chash cows" yields less than 1 %. Q.e.d.. Thank you.
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The OP would also be done for driving without due care and attention in the UK and depending on circumstances could have either points on his licence, a fine or a ban, just the same as here. Why should he get off scott-free under the hazy banner of "it was only an accident."
I actually think that this taking action on people (i.e. a blame and action by the police) is rather unfair.

Nobody has a crash on purpose; it is actually an accident.
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What's wrong with changing lanes in a tunnel??? If you drive carefully and leave enough room that is as safe and as legal as doing it just about anywhere else... I presume we're talking multi-lane highway tunnels here btw.
Tunnels can be deceptive, lighting , bends , disorientation within a closed space. If a driver makes a bad decision with little or no way out to correct it, this can easily lead into a pile up within a closed space and cause more casualties than need be. I have seen a lot of bad driving in the many tunnels here...frightening!

I was taught not to overtake in tunnels when i learnt to drive. Not sure if that is in the highway code???, but I know we do have markings to 'stay in lane' in tunnels driven in the UK.

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I actually think that this taking action on people (i.e. a blame and action by the police) is rather unfair.

Nobody has a crash on purpose; it is actually an accident.
Unfortunately (or fortunately, whichever way you look at it), the guy that the OP hit will be glad to be able to blame the OP otherwise he'd be on a loser with his insurance company.

True, nobody has a crash on purpose but if you're not paying attention on the road (when, by law, you should be if you are going to be in control of a vehicle) you may or may not have a crash. The law then acts accordingly.

I know the touchy feely times of the modern age make some people want to stroke the other's hand and say "Aw, diddums, There, there, it doesn't matter" but that doesn't trigger an insurance payment, sadly.

I certainly wouldn't want someone who dints my car because they weren't looking where they were going to be let off scott-free under the heading of "Aw, it was only an accident. No need to get the plod involved..."

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Ignoring stop sings is a hobby of mine ,not into oncoming traffic of course
For me it's less a hobby than a normal everyday part of driving. In the UK they're very rarely used, and demand some respect - i.e. if you see a Stop sign it's probably there for a good reason, but here, and in France and the US that I know of, they just seem to plonk them down at junctions with no possible need to actually come to a stop. Ergo they're stupid and deserve to be ignored.

I did once pick up an Eu80 fine in France for failing to stop, but that becomes a game in itself cos the cops know that if you're on Swiss plates you don't give a shit - the trick is to not take the piss out of them until _after_ they've done the paperwork, otherwise they'll stretch it out as long as they can, knowing that the only real penalty they can impose is on your time, hence trying to delay proceedings as much as possible.
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Old 18.10.2011, 12:02
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Would you like to ring the tagesanzeiger and tell them they are out of touch with reality as well? No,didn't think so...

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/zuerich/...story/11993824
I was with you until you invoked journalism for support.
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Old 18.10.2011, 12:34
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70 Million? Wow. The annual budget of the City of Zürich (not "Zürich City!) is around 8 billion CHF. In other words, that so called "one of the biggest chash cows" yields less than 1 %. Q.e.d.. Thank you.
Yein.

Define cash cow: "A business, product or asset that, once acquired and paid off, will produce consistent cash flow over its lifespan."

1) police already paid for and "on duty" anyway
2) car taxes (motorway and emissions) - already collected
3) infrastructure build and maintained from taxes collected

=> fines - "free income" with minimal "work" as the police will be on duty already and paid for already, irrespective of whether there is an indicent or not.

Ergo, cash cow = free money... I'd take a free 70 mill extra CHF if I could...
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Old 18.10.2011, 17:25
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Question: Can the Swiss police take away a UK license? It's clear they can ban Swiss driving license holders, but anyone know how they would enforce this ban? So many Brits just reapply to Swansea for a replacement license and then they're on the way if there is no UK ban enforced.
It's just a ban in CH and FL. The Swiss poliice can't pull a UK licence except for driving in CH/FL. All the same DON'T think about driving during the ban. If you get caught it won't end well. At the least expensive, possibly a short holiday with board and lodging provided by the Kanton.
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Yein.

Define cash cow: "A business, product or asset that, once acquired and paid off, will produce consistent cash flow over its lifespan."
Agreed, but litespeed called the traffic penalties "one of the biggest cash cows." Thats what I contest. It's peanuts.
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Old 18.10.2011, 17:28
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Agreed, but litespeed called the traffic penalties "one of the biggest cash cows." Thats what I contest. It's peanuts.
Genuinely, what other cash cows does the government have that it isn't already taxing, "legally" as it were?
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That's because you live in Canada.

Worst is, most Canadians actually think they are stopping, because they think that a "rolling stop" is considered stopping!

(been there, seen it, been in cars with Canadian drivers)

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Tom... a rolling stop is a stop if you have your foot on the brake and look both ways and nobody sees you.
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Tom... a rolling stop is a stop if you have your foot on the brake and look both ways and nobody sees you.
Yeah right, that's about as much of a stop as rolling out from a side street without looking both ways and crashing into another car is a 'close call'...
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Genuinely, what other cash cows does the government have that it isn't already taxing, "legally" as it were?
If you look at it that way, there is one huge cash cow, that's taxes, and there are some really tiny ones. Traffic fines obviously are among those tiny ones. 0.875% is not big.

All I wanted to do was make clear that governements do not make big money on traffic penalties. They obviously don't, no matter how you look at it.

Saying, "I'd take a free 70 mill extra CHF if I could..." just makes the whole thing even more OT than it already is. Believe it or not, I'd take even 70 grand, but that doesn't make the measly 70 mill any bigger in comparison with 8 bill. Can we now please stop this nonsense?
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Old 18.10.2011, 21:39
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Yein.

Define cash cow: "A business, product or asset that, once acquired and paid off, will produce consistent cash flow over its lifespan."

1) police already paid for and "on duty" anyway
2) car taxes (motorway and emissions) - already collected
3) infrastructure build and maintained from taxes collected

=> fines - "free income" with minimal "work" as the police will be on duty already and paid for already, irrespective of whether there is an indicent or not.

Ergo, cash cow = free money... I'd take a free 70 mill extra CHF if I could...
Do not know the Swiss story but I suspect similar to the UK. In UK less than half the fines issued are actually paid & the cost of collection/attempted collection pretty well wipes out the benefit. This is why the "safety partnerships" close down pretty quickly after losing their subsidies.
More of a dead pig than a cash cow.
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My dad drove until well into his 90s - and was an excellent driver. I can only imagine what would have happened if he had caused such an accident by inattention! He would have been hanged, drawn and quarterered I'm sure, and his licence taken away on the spot.
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My dad drove until well into his 90s - and was an excellent driver. I can only imagine what would have happened if he had caused such an accident by inattention! He would have been hanged, drawn and quarterered I'm sure, and his licence taken away on the spot.
To be fair, if they had hanged, drawn and quartered him he wouldn't have had much use for a licence thereafter...
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