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Old 18.10.2011, 23:37
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That's because you live in Canada.

Worst is, most Canadians actually think they are stopping, because they think that a "rolling stop" is considered stopping!

(been there, seen it, been in cars with Canadian drivers)

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Yea ! in Montreal Do they have stop sign I dont think so
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Old 18.10.2011, 23:50
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If you look at it that way, there is one huge cash cow, that's taxes, and there are some really tiny ones. Traffic fines obviously are among those tiny ones. 0.875% is not big.
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Can we now please stop this nonsense?
Now that is nonsense... taxes are in no way shape or form a cash cow. Taxes are required to make the country run, and indeed pay for everything that makes fines a cash cow...

...so really what you are saying is that you have no real argument, because, and let's be honest here, you've not really come up with any argument to counter Litespeed's observation that it is one of the biggest cash cows, other than 70 mill is no big deal in the big scheme of things. Sorry, but that's not an argument for whether or not it is a cash cow.

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Do not know the Swiss story but I suspect similar to the UK. <snip>
Actually, I would suggest it is nothing like the UK, with money collection by the government for the government. But maybe that's for another thread.
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Old 19.10.2011, 01:07
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Now that is nonsense... taxes are in no way shape or form a cash cow. Taxes are required to make the country run, and indeed pay for everything that makes fines a cash cow...

...so really what you are saying is that you have no real argument, because, and let's be honest here, you've not really come up with any argument to counter Litespeed's observation that it is one of the biggest cash cows, other than 70 mill is no big deal in the big scheme of things. Sorry, but that's not an argument for whether or not it is a cash cow.
I admit I'm one of those dumb fellows who live in blissful ignorance of Investopedia definitions and the like. In my book, a cash cow has to yield more than just a marginal profit compared to the entire budget.

Looks like I was wrong, and I profoundly apologize, but I'm sure at least 95% of those who read about traffic fines being "one of the biggest cash cows" looked at the matter exactly the same way I erroneously did. Which means it's better to use terms that cannot be misconstrued so easily by ordinary people like me. If litespeed meant that traffic penalties actually yield neglegible amounts, he should have written just that. But I'm afraid he really meant the opposite.
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Old 19.10.2011, 09:40
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Yea ! in Montreal Do they have stop sign I dont think so
Sometimes they say "STOP" there, but usually they say "ARRET"!

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Old 19.10.2011, 09:41
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I admit I'm one of those dumb fellows who live in blissful ignorance of Investopedia definitions and the like. In my book, a cash cow has to yield more than just a marginal profit compared to the entire budget.
I'd say a cash cow delivers a large profit for minimal input.

Speeding fines are (IMHO) one of those. The police are already paid for (in the taxes - because they do lots of other things). The cameras require purchasing - but I suspect they don't take up all the 70m CHF earned per year.

Minimal input + large return = cash cow.

Mind you I have coughed up "only" 160chf (4 fines -60, 2*40, 20) in 7.5 years of being in Switzerland!
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Old 19.10.2011, 10:22
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Re: Driving Ban (PLEASE HELP!)

With all the cyclists around here, I'm surprised that nobody has pointed out that even on a one way street, cyclists can go in both directions. It's not only cars that you are supposed to be looking for. One should always look in both directions before proceeding at a stop sign (or any intersection really). I wouldn't consider this an "accident", but driver error (which has been admitted).
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With all the cyclists around here, I'm surprised that nobody has pointed out that even on a one way street, cyclists can go in both directions. It's not only cars that you are supposed to be looking for. One should always look in both directions before proceeding at a stop sign (or any intersection really). I wouldn't consider this an "accident", but driver error (which has been admitted).
But isn't that the point, though? If you are not skilled or experienced enough to look out for all road users, you shouldn't be driving?

If you make "errors" on the road there is an increased possibility that you will crash into something. The OP confessed to the police that he's not used to driving on the right having been here only two months so effectively labelled himself a liability on the road. The punishment for that is to lose your licence for a bit.

Pedestrians can also be found on the road from time to time, are you suggesting colliding with one of them and putting them in hospital through not looking where you are going is just an "error" and not really an "accident"?

Yes, this particular incident was not serious but where is the line drawn? A couple of dented bumpers is probably still going to result in an insurance claim to some degree and insurance companies need a police report.
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Old 19.10.2011, 10:54
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But isn't that the point, though? If you are not skilled or experienced enough to look out for all road users, you shouldn't be driving?

If you make "errors" on the road there is an increased possibility that you will crash into something. The OP confessed to the police that he's not used to driving on the right having been here only two months so effectively labelled himself a liability on the road. The punishment for that is to lose your licence for a bit.

Pedestrians can also be found on the road from time to time, are you suggesting colliding with one of them and putting them in hospital through not looking where you are going is just an "error" and not really an "accident"?

Yes, this particular incident was not serious but where is the line drawn? A couple of dented bumpers is probably still going to result in an insurance claim to some degree and insurance companies need a police report.
I agree with you. I think this is an offence that should deserve a ban (sorry to the OP). To me, accident seems to imply that nothing could have been done to avoid the collision. Driver error on the other hand is an obvious mistake made by the driver. I think most accidents are actually caused by driver error...driving too close to the car in front, not paying attention, etc. I've been involved in a couple myself and looking back, they both could have been avoided.
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Old 19.10.2011, 11:22
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I'm surprised that nobody has pointed out that even on a one way street, cyclists can go in both directions.
Are you sure that that is legal?

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Old 19.10.2011, 11:23
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No, they don't.

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Are you sure that that is legal?

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Yes and No - in Zurich there are a lot of streets that have No Entry signs BUT also have underneath cycles - with arrows going both ways.

Some roads are complete NO ENTRY - so it can be confusing.

The suggested policy though is to ALWAYS look left-right-left before pulling out.
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Old 19.10.2011, 11:46
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No, they don't.

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Even in the event of a collision on the road?

We didn't need one when some guy in a van dinted our car in a car park but my FIL needed one for his insurance when someone rear-ended him at a set of traffic lights.
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Old 19.10.2011, 13:07
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Re: Driving Ban (PLEASE HELP!)

I had a neighbor who got a ban for a minor accident while driving a truck too heavy for his license. He was still allowed to drive to and from work, somehow. So perhaps you have a chance.

Sorry if this has already been covered. No time to read the whole thread.
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Old 19.10.2011, 13:10
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We didn't need one when some guy in a van dinted our car in a car park but my FIL needed one for his insurance when someone rear-ended him at a set of traffic lights.
Basically if the police are informed both drivers will often get a fine, you then have to go to court to win. I would never bother involving the police unless someone is hurt.

The Police are not independent, they have a horse in the race, thit opinion is just opinion & not fact from what they think may have happened.
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Old 19.10.2011, 14:59
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Even in the event of a collision on the road?

We didn't need one when some guy in a van dented our car in a car park but my FIL needed one for his insurance when someone rear-ended him at a set of traffic lights.
No.

My daughter rear-ended someone a couple years ago, no cops, insurance paid no problem.

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If no one is hurt the best thing to do is just sort it out between yourselves without involving the police.

If the damage is minor and one party is happy to pay for the damage to the other there is no need to involve insurance either.

I've had someone rear end me before and he admitted it was his fault and said he'd pay to get my car fixed, so I got 2 quotes for the bumper and he gave me the cash, no problem, sorted in a few days.

I did take details of his insurance and number plate just in case he didn't pay up, but as he paid there was no point involving them.
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Old 19.10.2011, 15:32
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I admit I'm one of those dumb fellows who live in blissful ignorance of Investopedia definitions and the like. In my book, a cash cow has to yield more than just a marginal profit compared to the entire budget.
You don't need "Investopedia" definitions to know what a cash cow is. The vital bit you are missing that it has to make a "pure" profit because all, or nearly all, the infrastructure is in place or already mostly paid for. As an aside from your (poor) attempts at belittling any attempt to put you right on this, you can't just pick-and-mix definitions to suit your "book", or should that be "books"?

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You don't need "Investopedia" definitions to know what a cash cow is. The vital bit you are missing that it has to make a "pure" profit because all, or nearly all, the infrastructure is in place or already mostly paid for. As an aside from your (poor) attempts at belittling any attempt to put you right on this, you can't just pick-and-mix definitions to suit your "book", or should that be "books"?
Ok ok ok pal. We got from milking a cash cow to flogging a dead horse. What else do you want me to do apart from profoundly apologizing? Do I have to kiss your boots? Or your booty? Or delete my EF existence?
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Old 19.10.2011, 20:57
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What else do you want me...?
Flogging a dead cow?
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Had coffee in the village and bumped into an old school friend who is the local cop. So I asked him about choosing the time of ban. He reminded me of a GP (family doctor) in La Chaux de Fonds who was caught speeding by a camera in the middle of the night, going to an emergency visit. NO accident, just a bit too much excess speed. He got a ban despite the emergency visit confirmed, and as he was going to retire a few months later, and has a large rural practice area with many elderly to visit, he asked for the ban to be delayed until retirement- it was refused. He was local, loved by all and had served the community all his life.
So cop the friend says it is VERY rare to be able to choose time of ban.

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