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Re: Bringing here a sport car for summers only

"If anyone meanwhile has anything to add - please do so".

I'll just add this: if you don't WANT to understand what's been said here and in other places in no uncertain terms, it's not our fault.
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Re: Bringing here a sport car for summers only

My home country is not the UK and the car is not registered in the UK so references to UK insurance policies are not that relevant. My car has a green card valid for anyone driving it (as long as the person has a valid driving licence) for any country in Europe except for Ukraine, Russia and alike.

I am not looking for a loopholes. I am just trying to find out a legal way for such a situation. I do value your opinions and hope that no-one feels offeded when I am trying to see if there is another option than "register it, store it in the UK, or sell". As a matter of fact I do have an issue complying with something I do not feel right about - not saying I would not eventually but would at least try to seek for other solutions before I give up. Any of the tree options above means giving up for me.

And yes, my view on the rules does not count when dealing with authorities :-)

To Odile: What makes you so sure stating "Your parents car insurance will not be valid for you to drive here as a resident. This is fact, not a point of view, sorry." if you do not know what insurance they have?

But as said above appreciate all your posts, guys. I am sure you could have spend your time better than trying to help me to form my decision - so thanks
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My home country is not the UK and the car is not registered in the UK so references to UK insurance policies are not that relevant. My car has a green card valid for anyone driving it (as long as the person has a valid driving licence) for any country in Europe except for Ukraine, Russia and alike.

I am not looking for a loopholes. I am just trying to find out a legal way for such a situation. I do value your opinions and hope that no-one feels offeded when I am trying to see if there is another option than "register it, store it in the UK, or sell". As a matter of fact I do have an issue complying with something I do not feel right about - not saying I would not eventually but would at least try to seek for other solutions before I give up. Any of the tree options above means giving up for me.

And yes, my view on the rules does not count when dealing with authorities :-)

To Odile: What makes you so sure stating "Your parents car insurance will not be valid for you to drive here as a resident. This is fact, not a point of view, sorry." if you do not know what insurance they have?

But as said above appreciate all your posts, guys. I am sure you could have spend your time better than trying to help me to form my decision - so thanks
LOOK.... you are pissing in the wind with this! It doesn't matter where you are from, who owns the car, what it is, where it's from, where it's insured in it's country of orign, or by whom and whether you feel like "it's giving up". Your residency and the laws around that residency are all that matters.
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And no Tom, no Zuger, and no Carlos, you cannot drive a foreign car sometimes, even in Basel & Tessin!
That's not what it says here:

"Art. 35 Uso proprio di mezzi di trasporto esteri"

"2 Essa può autorizzare persone con domicilio nel territorio doganale all’ammissione
temporanea di un mezzo di trasporto estero per uso proprio, se:
a. esse sono impiegate presso una persona con sede o domicilio al di fuori del
territorio doganale e utilizzano il mezzo di trasporto estero messo a loro
disposizione esclusivamente per trasporti transfrontalieri nell’ambito di
mandati di servizio e per trasporti tra il domicilio e il luogo di lavoro estero;
b. esse effettuano al massimo 12 trasporti transfrontalieri nell’arco di un anno e
la riesportazione avviene di volta in volta dopo tre giorni; o
c. esse trasferiscono il loro domicilio in una località al di fuori del territorio
doganale e l’ammissione temporanea dura al massimo tre mesi; o
d. non sono disponibili corrispondenti mezzi di trasporto indigeni e i mezzi di
trasporto esteri sono utilizzati soltanto per una breve durata."

b. You only do a maximum of 12 trans-border trips/year.
c. Are moving in or out of CH
d. You have no local transportation at your disposition and only use it for a short period

So, if your car breaks down in another country, and you get a rental (as I have done in the past, organized and paid for my my insurance), you ARE allowed to drive it here.

Also, if you don't own a Swiss registered car, or it's broken, you ARE allowed to use a foreign registered vehicle for a period of time (visiting parents, friends, etc.)

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Re: Bringing here a sport car for summers only

I wouldnt be paying the import. Its fine to drive a foreign car here

I have had a UK car here for 1 year (been living here 4 years) and been stopped a few times. Once at the border by customs and once while driving the car by regular police.
- register your car in your home country to your parents name or something and insure it in your home country. If you're stopped you can let them know you just borrowed the car. I have italian work colleagues who do this for the last 4 years and no problems.

If the car is in your name or you have swiss insurance then you may get caught
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Re: Bringing here a sport car for summers only

the penalties are not that great to be honest. I had a UK car in Switzerland for nearly 2 years in the 90s and it was only when some neighbour grassed me up that I got the "come visit us for a chat letter".

The customs guys were nice enough, there was nothing they could claim on the car as it was over 6 months old when I entered Switzerland.

They told me I had two options - 1. import or 2. take it back.

I took it back and sold it.

I had perfectly good insurance through AA (broker) and Norwich Union with permanent green card. Yes, they had my only address as my local address.

In the end, you do take a small chance but if your car has plates from Germany, Italy, France or Austria, you're less likely to be grassed up (i.e. nobody will notice).

As long as your insurance is good and they know where you live and still cover you, I'd say try it - but be prepared to import it.

One last question: is the car standard and is it available to buy in Switzerland? If the answers to this question are No then you may have a shorter time with your "solution" than planned. Also if would make an official import harder.

I don't know why so many people get bent out of shape about this; as long as your insurance is valid and you don't drive in a manner to upset people, I'd say let it go.

I see plenty of Russian-registered cars around my neck of the woods and I bet they a) live here and b) are not importing their Porsches, Astons and Ferraris.
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Re: Bringing here a sport car for summers only

I don't see the big deal in importing it - if the car was available here - just do it. If it is good condition it will sail through - and everything will be legal. With a garage space over here you'll then be able to use the car over winter - when the sun is out.

The perfect time in my view!

You'll spend more time and effort trying to avoid importing the car then actually doing it.
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Google for Form 15.50 it will give you an English .PDF to download, (There isn't an easy link to it)
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Fact Sheet - Putting private motor vehicles and trailers into free circulation ...
http://www.ezv.admin.ch/<b>zollinfo_...ndex.html?lang...File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View
Form. 15.50 / 2011 edition. Fact Sheet
This is getting tiresome, once you are registered here you have 2 days to go to an inland customs office and start to import the car.

(In my view, if you don't do this you can be charged with smuggling cars)

Insurance companies love to avoid paying out: if you are driving illegally they will not pay out. It really is as simple as that.
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Federal Department of Finance FDF
Federal Customs Administration FCA
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Form. 15.50 / 2011 edition
Fact Sheet - Putting private motor vehicles and trailers into free circulation (customs clearance and payment of duties)
Introductory remarks and information offices
This fact sheet covers the most important customs and road traffic legal provisions concern-ing the putting into free circulation of motor vehicles and trailers by people domiciled in the customs area (foreign workers, foreign students and immigrants) with information on the type and amount of import duties (customs duty, vehicle duty and value added tax).
Additional information can be obtained from all customs offices.
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Contents
1 Bringing uncleared and untaxed vehicles into the customs area and declaring them when crossing the border............................................ ...............................................3
2 Import assessment and documents required.......................................... ....................3
3 Import duties and charges........................................... ...............................................3
3.1 Customs duty.............................................. .................................................. .........3
3.2 Rates of duty.............................................. .................................................. ..........3
3.3 Vehicle duty.............................................. .................................................. ............4
3.4 Value added tax............................................... .................................................. ....4
3.5 Charges........................................... .................................................. .....................4
3.6 Payment of import duties............................................ ...........................................4
4 Special cases............................................. .................................................. ...............4
4.1 Vehicles imported temporarily for the personal use of people resident in foreign customs areas............................................. .................................................. .........4
4.2 Vehicles imported for the personal use of foreign workers and foreign students...4
4.3 Vehicles of immigrants as household effects or wedding trousseaux....................5
4.4 Vehicles of people who, without giving up their domicile in the customs area, have resided abroad for at least one year.............................................. ................5
4.5 Vehicles of emigrants (transfer of domicile abroad)........................................... ....6
5 Registration documents, licence plates and driver’s licence......................................6
5.1 Registration documents and licence plates for bringing vehicles into the customs area.............................................. .................................................. ........................6
5.2 Obligation to exchange foreign registration documents, licence plates and driver’s licence........................................... .................................................. .......................6
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Bringing uncleared and untaxed vehicles into the customs area and declaring them when crossing the border
The vehicles are to be declared at a manned customs office at the border without any re-quest having to be made.
Vehicle declaration and assessment shall take place during customs office working hours.
If the assessment is desired at an inland customs office, the border customs office will issue a certificate (form 15.25) free of charge with a validity of two days.[]
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Import assessment and documents required
The crucial factors in the levying of import duties are the weight and value of the vehicle when crossing the border.
The following documents are required for the assessment:

The invoice or contract of sale;

The vehicle registration document. In addition, for vehicles with German licence plates, the "Zulassungsschein", and for vehicles with Italian licence plates, the "foglio comple-mentare";

Proof of identity (passport, identity card, driver’s licence etc.);

If the preferential rate is requested: proof of origin (e.g. EUR 1) for vehicles originating in EU and EFTA states and countries with which Switzerland has concluded a free-trade agreement; form A for vehicles originating in developing countries (cf. para. 3.1).
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Import duties and charges
3.1
Customs duty
The rates of duty are the same for used and new vehicles. Vehicles manufactured in an EU or EFTA country or in a country with which Switzerland has concluded a free-trade agree-ment are admitted duty free on importation from one of these countries. Duty-free assess-ment is to be applied for in the import declaration and will be granted on production of proof of origin (declaration of origin on the invoice, EUR. 1; form A) from the seller in the other country. Form A and EUR. 1 must be authenticated by the customs authorities of the export country.
3.2
Rates of duty

Motor cycles The normal rate of duty for motor cycles is CHF 37 per 100 kg unladen weight regard-less of cubic capacity providing duty-free admission in accordance with para. 3.1 is not possible.

Private cars The normal rate of duty for private cars is between CHF 12 and CHF 15 per 100 kg unladen weight depending on cubic capacity and unladen weight providing duty-free admission in accordance with para. 3.1 is not possible.

Trailers The following rates of duty per 100 kg unladen weight apply for trailers providing duty-free admission in accordance with para. 3.1 is not possible:
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Caravan and camping trailers: CHF 19
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All other trailers: CHF 12
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3.3
Vehicle duty
In addition to possible customs duties, the import of private cars is subject to vehicle duty. The rate of duty amounts to 4% of the value of the vehicle (customs duties included).
3.4
Value added tax
Value added tax is calculated based on

the sales price indicated on the invoice or in the contract of sale (proof of the price is to be provided by means of a copy of the invoice or of the contract) or, in other cases,

the condition value of the vehicle according to Eurotax.
The following are to be included in the VAT calculation providing they are not already in-cluded:

the amount of customs duties,

the vehicle duty and additional costs (transport, insurance and customs clearance costs) up to the destination in Switzerland.
The VAT rate is 7.6%.
3.5
Charges
A charge of CHF 30 is levied for the weighing and CHF 20 for issuing of the test report form 13.20 A for the Road Traffic Office.
3.6
Payment of import duties
All import duties (customs duty, vehicle duty and value added tax) and charges are to be paid directly to the customs office upon assessment.
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Special cases
4.1
Vehicles imported temporarily for the personal use of people resident in foreign customs areas
People resident abroad (tourists and business travellers) may use their vehicles duty-free in the customs area so long as, under Swiss law, they are resident abroad. The vehicles are admitted without formalities.
4.2
Vehicles imported for the personal use of foreign workers and foreign students
Foreign workers (holders of annual permits or short-term permits and trainees) are permitted to use a foreign vehicle in the customs area duty-free for a period of two years from the date of first entry (for example upon taking up employment) (form 15.30) even if they transfer their domicile under civil law to the customs area. The charge is CH F25.
Foreign students are permitted with authorisation form 15.30 to use a foreign vehicle duty-free in the customs area in principle for the entire duration of their studies. The charge is CHF 25.
The following documents are to be submitted to the customs office: Swiss residence permit or equivalent proof, vehicle registration document, matriculation statement from the educa-tional institution.
When the two-year period expires, the conditions of domicile of the holder of the vehicle are assessed based on a fully-completed and signed questionnaire (form 15.20) in accordance with the Swiss Civil Code. Where no transfer of domicile has occurred—which usually ap-
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plies in the case of students—the holder of the vehicle is permitted to continue using the un-assessed vehicle with authorisation form 15.30. The charge is CHF 25.
However, if the holder of the vehicle has transferred his or her domicile to the customs area, then the vehicle must either be put into free circulation (customs clearance and payment of duties) or be re-exported. A duty-free assessment as household effects remains reserved so long as the conditions are met.
4.3
Vehicles of immigrants as household effects or wedding trousseaux
Migrants’ household effects are assessed as duty-free.
The vehicles of immigrants are considered household effects if they were used for their own personal use or for their job or for the pursuit of a trade for at least six months abroad and are destined for their own use in the customs area.
The following documents are to be submitted to the customs office: the vehicle registration document, Swiss residence permit, and declaration/application for clearance of household effects (form 18.44). Since 01.06.07, immigrants from the fifteen original EU member states (plus Cyprus and Malta) and the EFTA states do not have to provide assurance of a resi-dence permit. Proof of transfer of domicile must be provided by other means (employment contract, lease, confirmation of notice of departure from the country of departure).
Further provisions concerning customs assessments and application for clearance (declara-tion) are available online at http://www.ezv.admin.ch/zollinfo_pri...x.html?lang=en
In addition, for vehicles with German licence plates, the "Zulassungsschein" must be pro-vided, and for vehicles with Italian licence plates, the "foglio complementare".
If the vehicle has not been used abroad by the person concerned for a period of at least six months, then the duty-free assessment as household effects is out of the question. How-ever, the migrant is authorised (form 15.30) to drive the vehicle which has not been put into free circulation for two years from the date of first entry duty free so long as the vehicle is destined for private use in the customs area. The charge is CHF25. Before the authorisation expires, the vehicle must be definitively re-exported or be put into free circulation (customs clearance and payment of duties, cf. para. 3).
Wedding trousseaux of a person who marries another person whose domicile is in the cus-toms area and transfers their domicile to the customs area are assessed as duty-free.
The following documents are to be submitted to the customs office: vehicle registration document, Swiss residence permit, and declaration/application for clearance of wedding trousseaux (form 18.45).
Further provisions concerning customs assessments and application for clearance (declara-tion) are available online at
http://www.ezv.admin.ch/zollinfo_pri...x.html?lang=en
4.4
Vehicles of people who, without giving up their domicile in the customs area, have resided abroad for at least one year
On a par with migrants’ household effects are the vehicles of persons who, without giving up their domicile in the customs area, have resided abroad for at least one year (for work or study) and have used the vehicle designated for their own continued use in the customs area for at least six months abroad before returning to Switzerland.
The following documents are to be submitted to the customs office: the vehicle registration document, declaration/application for clearance of household effects (form 18.44).
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Further provisions concerning customs assessments and application for clearance (declara-tion) are available online at
http://www.ezv.admin.ch/zollinfo_pri...x.html?lang=en
In addition, for vehicles with German licence plates, the "Zulassungsschein" must be pro-vided, and for vehicles with Italian licence plates, the "foglio complementare".
As household effects, the vehicles are assessed as duty-free.
If the immigrant has not used the vehicle abroad for at least 6 months before returning to Switzerland, then duty-free assessment as household effects is no longer applicable. The vehicle has to be put into free circulation (customs clearance and payment of duties, cf. para. 3).
4.5
Vehicles of emigrants (transfer of domicile abroad)
Emigrants are permitted to purchase and use a vehicle in the customs area which has not been put into free circulation (uncleared and duty free) for three months at the most before transfer of domicile. The charge is CHF 25.
For the purposes of determining legal residence and issuing authorisation (form 15.40), the vehicle purchaser must fill out (in full) and sign a questionnaire (form 15.20). The question-naire must be submitted by the vehicle purchaser or the garage owner with proof of identity (or a copy thereof) to an authorising authority.
Authorising authorities are all customs offices.
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Registration documents, licence plates and driver’s licence
5.1
Registration documents and licence plates for bringing vehicles into the cus-toms area
Vehicles which have not been put into free circulation (uncleared and untaxed) may be brought into Switzerland with the following licence plates:

foreign licence plates;

Swiss interim licence plates. It must be pointed out that the foreign state is entitled to require registration under its own licence plates;

Swiss commercial licence plates and collective permit through an authorised person. Whether or not these licence plates may be used abroad is governed by the law of the foreign country concerned. Non-binding information is provided by the Road Traffic Of-fices; binding information is provided by the foreign authorities responsible.
5.2
Obligation to exchange foreign registration documents, licence plates and driver’s licence
In accordance with the road traffic legal provisions, foreign motor vehicles and trailers are required to have Swiss registration documents and Swiss licence plates. The regulations are outlined in Article 115 of the Traffic Registration Ordinance (VZV; SR 741.51).
In order to be registered in Switzerland, vehicles must comply with the Swiss provisions.
The regulations concerning the obligation to exchange foreign driver's licences are outlined in Article 42 of the Traffic Registration Ordinance (VZV; SR 741.51).
Information concerning the registration regulations and the documents to be submitted can be obtained from the Road Traffic Offices.
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If you are resident in Switzerland and are driving a hired car you must declare it at the border, and export it within 2 days.
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And that from me is quite enough!
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I don't know why so many people get bent out of shape about this; as long as your insurance is valid
When you apply for your insurance in Switzerland or in any other country, you state that you are resident in that country. If you change your residence then your insurance is no longer valid, your green insurance form will also be invalid. You will no longer be insured. Any accident victims will be paid from the special public funds and you will be prosecuted.

You don't have to follow any advice here, and you may have escaped fines in the past. The OP asked for advice and it has been correctly given, apart from 5 wrong posters.
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When you apply for your insurance in Switzerland or in any other country, you state that you are resident in that country. If you change your residence then your insurance is no longer valid, your green insurance form will also be invalid. You will no longer be insured. Any accident victims will be paid from the special public funds and you will be prosecuted.

You don't have to follow any advice here, and you may have escaped fines in the past. The OP asked for advice and it has been correctly given, apart from 5 wrong posters.
so you're stating that I was not able to declare residency in Switzerland to Norwich Union those years ago? If I had an accident, they would not have paid out even though they issued the policy to a person domiciled abroad using their UK-registered car?

To be absolutely clear, the one and only address the insurer had for me was in Switzerland.

Maybe times have changed but I've seen plenty of foreign cars permanently in Switzerland. To be absolutely clear, here beyond their 12 months permitted.
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Exactly - and you won't be insured either. So if anybody runs into you, be it a child or a lorry- doesn't bear thinking about.
You may or may not be insured, you can't be so sure, if the insurer is informed of the risk, then there is no way than not cover you.
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Re: Bringing here a sport car for summers only

It's also the same for any EU resident, I linked the UK DVLC site about 10 days ago. In the country you live except with a few temporary exceptions you can't drive a foreign registered car. To get that permission for those exceptions you will have to declaire the car to customs.
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Maybe times have changed but I've seen plenty of foreign cars permanently in Switzerland. To be absolutely clear, here beyond their 12 months permitted.
I think the basic problem here is that there are two questions under discussion here. The first, which has been well and truly answered, is "Is it legal to...". Quite clearly, from the quoted laws and statutes, it's not.

The second question, and the one that you appear to be discussing is "Is it possible to get away with...". Well yes, it looks like many people do get away with it. But you might as well start discussing the merits of smuggling drugs or weapons - clearly many people get away with these offences too, but you wouldn't use that to support the idea that it must be legal for them to do so.

I wouldn't deem to moralise on whether the OP should or should not try to get away with it, others will do, and indeed have done, that job, but I do think it's important to draw the line between what is legal and what is not. There is no grey area here, as far as I can tell, so I really don't understand the continued discussion.
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Re: Bringing here a sport car for summers only

I am covered - as a named person for a UK vehicle insured on a UK policy. The policy is not in my name as I am not the primary driver. The insurer is aware of my residency and it is not an issue.

However driving that vehicle in Switzerland wouldn't be allowed if it was being used beyond a "temporary purpose". For example I could drive into Switzerland with that vehicle full of "stuff" - lets say some furniture I bought in the EU.

I would be declaring the furniture and at the same time they would question my use of the vehicle. I would declare I am using it temporarily -and demonstrate my return travel plans. They would have no reason to detain me because the use is temporary. (As highlighted before). You can bet a chunk of cash the police would check the area for the vehicle beyond that date because it is easy money - after all they'd have my address.

The main issues as far as I understand them are that owning a car and insuring it in a foreign country raises huge issues with regards to insurance. 7 years ago the AA did do a non-resident insurance policy for UK drivers - IE they could have a UK plated car, outside the country, with the owner domiciled out of the UK. This policy was 2.5 times the price of my normal policy AND only valid for 1 year - IE the period you would be able to have the car on foreign plates in Switzerland.

It is worth noting that Switzerland has some of the most tolerant insurance policies - their green cards allow long periods out of the country AND cover far more countries.

I don't see the benefit of trying to dodge the rules - you will eventually get caught - and once you do, it will get hugely expensive.
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so you're stating that I was not able to declare residency in Switzerland to Norwich Union those years ago? If I had an accident, they would not have paid out even though they issued the policy to a person domiciled abroad using their UK-registered car?

To be absolutely clear, the one and only address the insurer had for me was in Switzerland.

Maybe times have changed but I've seen plenty of foreign cars permanently in Switzerland. To be absolutely clear, here beyond their 12 months permitted.

LOL I worked for NU for a few years, and I can tell you they wouldn't have paid, we had a whole department dedicated to finding ways out of paying claims, anything slightly out of the ordinary would be queried and a way found to avoid paying, sure we'd take the policy and you payments, but paying out was a whole different story.

Look its perfectly simple, the rules are clear, yes you can bend them, we did for 3 years and got away with it, but once you have a B permit your excuses are out of the window, if you don't own a place in the uk then your excuses are out of the window, looking back we where very silly, and should anything have happened we'd have been in the shit big time, luckily the only time the police stopped us was when the car was going through the import process so it was fully legal here.

Look at it this way, do you have enough cash put aside to pay for repairs, replacement, medical bills etc etc if you crash here and your insurance company tell you to do one (which they will, I can almost guarantee it), not for you, for the person you hit (or hits you)
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It's not allowed, for you to drive there car at all.
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After one year of living here you are not allowed to drive any foreign registered cars here. There are even problems with driving French rental cars here.
Yes that is correct!
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And no Tom, no Zuger, and no Carlos, you cannot drive a foreign car sometimes, even in Basel & Tessin!
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That's not what it says here:

<some Italian stuff>

So, if your car breaks down in another country, and you get a rental (as I have done in the past, organized and paid for my my insurance), you ARE allowed to drive it here.

Also, if you don't own a Swiss registered car, or it's broken, you ARE allowed to use a foreign registered vehicle for a period of time (visiting parents, friends, etc.)
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However driving that vehicle in Switzerland wouldn't be allowed if it was being used beyond a "temporary purpose". For example I could drive into Switzerland with that vehicle full of "stuff" - lets say some furniture I bought in the EU.
So we're all agreed now that sometimes you can, and that it isn't as black and white as you'd like to think it is?
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Re: Bringing here a sport car for summers only

Don't forget this: the border guard I asked about it told me they could check me at the border AND DENY MY ENTERING THE COUNTRY in that particular car. I considered this a major showstopper against doing any funny business (i.e. the fines I could've maybe lived with, but this not).
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After my innitial post I did further research and found the helpful (Black & white) Swiss customs Form 15.50

I then discovered that at the border you are obliged to declare your car if it is not Swiss. You will then be issued with a temporary importation, valid 2 days, for a fee. On the third day you must have started the importing process, or have exported the car out of Switzerland. I think that covers one grey area.

Once a foreign car has been brought into Switzerland by your parents, you cannot just drive it, as it has not been declared by you at the border crossing.

The insurance is quite clear. As a tourist with a foreign domicile, you may have insurance cover to drive the foreign car here in Switzerland. As a resident here with a permit you do not have insurance cover on a foreign car using foreign insurance.

Swiss insurance companies will not insure foreign cars. British insurance companies will not insure Swiss cars. These points have all been discussed on EF before, it's necessary to search for them. Importing new car from the UK
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LOL I worked for NU for a few years, and I can tell you they wouldn't have paid, we had a whole department dedicated to finding ways out of paying claims, anything slightly out of the ordinary would be queried and a way found to avoid paying, sure we'd take the policy and you payments, but paying out was a whole different story.
Norwich made a special exception & gave me a 12 month green card, they had insured me for the previous 12 years without a claim (21 year old with Porsche 911 again the only insurer who was interested.)¨

The only stipulation was that I had to confirm that I never had & did not intend to work for Aardman Animation in Bristol.
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Once a foreign car has been brought into Switzerland by your parents, you cannot just drive it, as it has not been declared by you at the border crossing.

The insurance is quite clear. As a tourist with a foreign domicile, you may have insurance cover to drive the foreign car here in Switzerland. As a resident here with a permit you do not have insurance cover on a foreign car using foreign insurance.
I understand what you are saying BUT it is important to look at the 2 aspects of the vehicle:
1) Importation
2) Insurance

The latter is really the one that needs to be checked. If you are a named driver on insurance in the UK for a UK registered vehicle - and they insurance company is FULLY aware that you may drive the vehicle under their terms - then in case of accident you'll be covered.

The Swiss regulations approach the problem as:
1) The car is not Swiss registered therefore:
2) The insurance is not Swiss registered therefore:
3) Only non-Swiss are registered to drive therefore:
4) A swiss-registered person would be driving without insurance if they did.

That chain of events is halted if you can demonstrate that you are covered by insurance - and that the insurance company is aware you are resident in Switzerland.

If therefore you are in a position to be driving a foreign plated car, in Switzerland, while resident in Switzerlnad, you would need to ensure that you have ALL the documentation to prove the above.

My understanding is that all EU countries require the legal owner of the vehicle to be registered in the country of the vehicle and for the vehicle owner to have insurance for when the car is legally on the road.

If the foreign-plated car is yours, and you drive it in Switzerland (beyond the importation period), then you are almost certainly driving illegally.

And as has already been mentioned - you MIGHT get away with this. People have and people do. BUT you do risk it being a very, very big mistake if something goes wrong.

Just to remind you - Swiss insurance covers the vehicle - anyone can drive it (even visitors) - and you only have to name those who will drive a considerable distance in them (although this has never been defined to me by either of my insurers).
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