Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Help & tips > Transportation/driving  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 19.11.2011, 14:57
desperate's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Deutschland
Posts: 272
Groaned at 6 Times in 6 Posts
Thanked 155 Times in 101 Posts
desperate has annoyed a few people around heredesperate has annoyed a few people around here
Driving ban, fine OR jail?

My driving is a lot calmer in recent years (wisdom does come with age after all I guess) but i do still get caught mainly when I'm too slow to reduce speed when max goes from 120 to 100 to 80 or something. Typically due to me being on cruise control.

Anyway, got caught in Switzerland:
- 650 CHF fine
- plus 3 month driving ban

I called the number on the letter and the lady was very helpful. What I in the end understood was that the fine could be changed to a 3 day prison term. I'm seriously considering that - more for the experience than saving the money. Question: how are Swiss prisons? Should I expect 3 days of catching up with sleep, reading 1-2 good books and eating acceptable chow... OR should I be expecting 3 days of hell and continuous vigilence to not get treated like in American History X?

Oh, and does something like this in any way impact getting (eventually) a residence permit in Switzerland?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 19.11.2011, 15:02
Upthehatters2008's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: In the kitchen at parties.
Posts: 4,569
Groaned at 208 Times in 122 Posts
Thanked 6,078 Times in 2,378 Posts
Upthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Driving ban, fine OR jail?

Hell, or sleep, it's all in the experience. Take it , it's a great story for your grand children...
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 19.11.2011, 15:03
TiMow's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Fribourg
Posts: 9,304
Groaned at 237 Times in 154 Posts
Thanked 12,188 Times in 5,300 Posts
TiMow has a reputation beyond reputeTiMow has a reputation beyond reputeTiMow has a reputation beyond reputeTiMow has a reputation beyond reputeTiMow has a reputation beyond reputeTiMow has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Driving ban, fine OR jail?

George Michael's 80's hit Careless Whisper comes to mind ..... the version preferred in Swiss prisons, is a re-working by Michael, after his own prison experience .........






........ Hairless Fister
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank TiMow for this useful post:
  #4  
Old 19.11.2011, 15:05
vwild1
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Driving ban, fine OR jail?

Quote:
View Post
What I in the end understood was that the fine could be changed to a 3 day prison term. I'm seriously considering that - more for the experience than saving the money.
I'm thinking maybe that a 3 day prison term would appear on your police record where as a fine wouldn't..?
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 19.11.2011, 15:16
desperate's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Deutschland
Posts: 272
Groaned at 6 Times in 6 Posts
Thanked 155 Times in 101 Posts
desperate has annoyed a few people around heredesperate has annoyed a few people around here
Re: Driving ban, fine OR jail?

Quote:
View Post
I'm thinking maybe that a 3 day prison term would appear on your police record where as a fine wouldn't..?
Yeah, but so what? Does that police record impact anything?
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 19.11.2011, 16:01
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Neuchatel
Posts: 22,869
Groaned at 544 Times in 416 Posts
Thanked 25,381 Times in 11,638 Posts
Odile has a reputation beyond reputeOdile has a reputation beyond reputeOdile has a reputation beyond reputeOdile has a reputation beyond reputeOdile has a reputation beyond reputeOdile has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Driving ban, fine OR jail?

My brother did that - but honestly I'd rather pay than have a prison sentence on my record. It could easily catch up with you when job hunting, etc- just not worth it imho.

Personally I never use cruise control in areas where speed limit change regularly, like the M25 in London, and where there are Mway tunnels here in CH. Not a fan anyway in busy Mways either.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 19.11.2011, 16:14
Sandgrounder's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: ZH
Posts: 13,278
Groaned at 122 Times in 113 Posts
Thanked 23,892 Times in 9,220 Posts
Sandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Driving ban, fine OR jail?

Quote:
View Post
My driving is a lot calmer in recent years (wisdom does come with age after all I guess) but i do still get caught mainly when I'm too slow to reduce speed when max goes from 120 to 100 to 80 or something. Typically due to me being on cruise control.

Anyway, got caught in Switzerland:
- 650 CHF fine
- plus 3 month driving ban
You must have been giving it beans to get such a high penalty. Was it on a motorway or in a built up area?

I know people who have been banned for one month and they were doing something like 30 or 35 over the speed limit on a motorway. A 3 month ban must have meant you were flying!
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 19.11.2011, 16:17
fatmanfilms's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Verbier
Posts: 17,791
Groaned at 282 Times in 231 Posts
Thanked 15,185 Times in 8,440 Posts
fatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Driving ban, fine OR jail?

Quote:
View Post
I'm thinking maybe that a 3 day prison term would appear on your police record where as a fine wouldn't..?
I don't think it will be counted as a criminal record, fine has to be higher 5000 IIRC, a couple of days prision does not count.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 19.11.2011, 16:21
desperate's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Deutschland
Posts: 272
Groaned at 6 Times in 6 Posts
Thanked 155 Times in 101 Posts
desperate has annoyed a few people around heredesperate has annoyed a few people around here
Re: Driving ban, fine OR jail?

Quote:
View Post
You must have been giving it beans to get such a high penalty. Was it on a motorway or in a built up area?

I know people who have been banned for one month and they were doing something like 30 or 35 over the speed limit on a motorway. A 3 month ban must have meant you were flying!
I wasn't really, I think the limit just dropped to 60 and i was doing 90 or 95. It was near Schaffhausen if not mistaken. Really an odd spot to all of a sudden drop to 60.

Maybe the penalty was so high because 4-5 years ago I had also had a driving ban in Switzerland.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 19.11.2011, 16:22
litespeed's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Dietikon ZH
Posts: 1,857
Groaned at 15 Times in 12 Posts
Thanked 2,401 Times in 731 Posts
litespeed has a reputation beyond reputelitespeed has a reputation beyond reputelitespeed has a reputation beyond reputelitespeed has a reputation beyond reputelitespeed has a reputation beyond reputelitespeed has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Driving ban, fine OR jail?

Quote:
View Post
I'm thinking maybe that a 3 day prison term would appear on your police record where as a fine wouldn't..?
Unlike many other countries, traffic and criminal history records are not separated. I think any court-determined fined over 250chf appears on your "Strafregister" (police record), including traffic fines. Many jobs these days require you to provide a copy with any job application...A speeding fine would be ignored, but a stint in prison may not go down well with your new HR...
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank litespeed for this useful post:
  #11  
Old 19.11.2011, 16:24
Sandgrounder's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: ZH
Posts: 13,278
Groaned at 122 Times in 113 Posts
Thanked 23,892 Times in 9,220 Posts
Sandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond reputeSandgrounder has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Driving ban, fine OR jail?

Quote:
View Post
I wasn't really, I think the limit just dropped to 60 and i was doing 90 or 95. It was near Schaffhausen if not mistaken. Really an odd spot to all of a sudden drop to 60.

Maybe the penalty was so high because 4-5 years ago I had also had a driving ban in Switzerland.
Oops, you might want to watch it if you are stacking them up. A ban on its own probably wouldn't affect your chances of getting residency but the ride might be a bit bumpier if you are a repeat offender.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 19.11.2011, 17:21
fatmanfilms's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Verbier
Posts: 17,791
Groaned at 282 Times in 231 Posts
Thanked 15,185 Times in 8,440 Posts
fatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Driving ban, fine OR jail?

Quote:
View Post
Unlike many other countries, traffic and criminal history records are not separated. I think any court-determined fined over 250chf appears on your "Strafregister" (police record), including traffic fines. Many jobs these days require you to provide a copy with any job application...A speeding fine would be ignored, but a stint in prison may not go down well with your new HR...
It's above 5000, that get recorded on the register.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 19.11.2011, 18:43
litespeed's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Dietikon ZH
Posts: 1,857
Groaned at 15 Times in 12 Posts
Thanked 2,401 Times in 731 Posts
litespeed has a reputation beyond reputelitespeed has a reputation beyond reputelitespeed has a reputation beyond reputelitespeed has a reputation beyond reputelitespeed has a reputation beyond reputelitespeed has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Driving ban, fine OR jail?

Quote:
View Post
It's above 5000, that get recorded on the register.
Ah yes, I stand corrected. But I did find the following:

Quote:
Erscheinen Urteile wegen Geschwindigkeitsüberschreitungen und FIAZ auf dem Privatauszug?

Nur schwere Strassenverkehrsdelikte erscheinen im Strafregister-Auszug für Privatpersonen. Geschwindigkeitsüberschreitungen ab 25 km/h innerorts, 30 km/h ausserorts und 35 km/h auf der Autobahn sind Vergehen; entsprechende Urteile sind deshalb im Privatauszug für eine gewisse Dauer ersichtlich. Dies gilt auch für Urteile für das Fahren in angetrunkenem Zustand (FIAZ) ab einer Blutalkoholkonzentration von 0,8 Promillen. Hingegen werden Übertretungen im Strassenverkehr zwar im Strafregister eingetragen, erscheinen aber nicht im Privatauszug.
So basically, serious traffic offences including serious speeding fines are also entered.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 20.11.2011, 17:40
Ace1's Avatar
A singular modality
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Morgins, VS
Posts: 7,389
Groaned at 234 Times in 174 Posts
Thanked 11,908 Times in 5,248 Posts
Ace1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond reputeAce1 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Driving ban, fine OR jail?

Quote:
View Post
I think any court-determined fined over 250chf appears on your "Strafregister" (police record), including traffic fines.
Don't think so. I've twice had to provide a Swiss criminal record extract for UK organisations (for reasons of skiing with kids), the most recent being just a couple of months ago. I had a 800+chf speeding offence earlier this year, and one about four years back, and neither of these was listed on the extract.
Quote:
View Post
Many jobs these days require you to provide a copy with any job application...A speeding fine would be ignored, but a stint in prison may not go down well with your new HR...
I'd imagine that if the offence doesn't appear for a fine, it wouldn't for a short prison sentence either. BICBW.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 20.11.2011, 17:44
AbFab's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Zürich
Posts: 7,296
Groaned at 311 Times in 207 Posts
Thanked 9,659 Times in 3,408 Posts
AbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond reputeAbFab has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Driving ban, fine OR jail?

Quote:
View Post
Question: how are Swiss prisons? Should I expect 3 days of catching up with sleep, reading 1-2 good books and eating acceptable chow... OR should I be expecting 3 days of hell and continuous vigilence to not get treated like in American History X?
Just make sure you take enough Vaseline for 3 days and you'll be be fine...
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank AbFab for this useful post:
  #16  
Old 05.06.2019, 17:41
BLP's Avatar
BLP BLP is offline
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Vaud
Posts: 992
Groaned at 25 Times in 19 Posts
Thanked 465 Times in 305 Posts
BLP has an excellent reputationBLP has an excellent reputationBLP has an excellent reputationBLP has an excellent reputation
Re: Driving ban, fine OR jail?

does days in jail for fines vary per person? This person talked of 3 days for 650? I'm told it's only 30 off the bill per day in jail
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 05.06.2019, 18:46
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Leimbach, Zürich
Posts: 5,272
Groaned at 299 Times in 235 Posts
Thanked 5,718 Times in 2,901 Posts
EdwinNL has a reputation beyond reputeEdwinNL has a reputation beyond reputeEdwinNL has a reputation beyond reputeEdwinNL has a reputation beyond reputeEdwinNL has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Driving ban, fine OR jail?

Quote:
View Post
does days in jail for fines vary per person? This person talked of 3 days for 650? I'm told it's only 30 off the bill per day in jail
Situation in Zürich:

You don't get to choose if you want to go to jail or go to prison, only after you refused to pay and Betreibung also did not get the bill paid you are likely to go to jail, the amount of replacement jail time is set the moment a judicial authority sets the fine and else it will correspond to the number of "Tagessätze"

So yes it can vary, but 30,- a day sounds incredible low.

What did you do
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank EdwinNL for this useful post:
  #18  
Old 05.06.2019, 18:52
BLP's Avatar
BLP BLP is offline
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Vaud
Posts: 992
Groaned at 25 Times in 19 Posts
Thanked 465 Times in 305 Posts
BLP has an excellent reputationBLP has an excellent reputationBLP has an excellent reputationBLP has an excellent reputation
Re: Driving ban, fine OR jail?

yeah 3 days I'd consider it but 30 days is crazy, esp for the "crime"
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 05.06.2019, 19:04
st2lemans's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Lugano
Posts: 26,437
Groaned at 1,637 Times in 1,257 Posts
Thanked 30,644 Times in 14,631 Posts
st2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Driving ban, fine OR jail?

What sort of job do you have that only pays 30/day?

Tom
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank st2lemans for this useful post:
  #20  
Old 05.06.2019, 19:29
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Basel
Posts: 1,233
Groaned at 17 Times in 15 Posts
Thanked 729 Times in 436 Posts
Landers has earned the respect of manyLanders has earned the respect of manyLanders has earned the respect of many
Re: Driving ban, fine OR jail?

>>You don't get to choose if you want to go to jail or go to prison


What's the difference between jail and prison?
Reply With Quote
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Driving Ban (PLEASE HELP!) christi__mcevoy Transportation/driving 121 19.10.2011 21:52
Ran a red light, likelihood of fine/ban? Chippers Transportation/driving 13 16.02.2011 00:09
Driving Ban mediaman999 Transportation/driving 5 28.05.2010 17:36
Driving Ban vasco89 Transportation/driving 0 22.06.2009 22:17
driving ban - need advice JMC Transportation/driving 2 11.01.2009 10:28


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 01:40.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0