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Driving ban, fine OR jail?

My driving is a lot calmer in recent years (wisdom does come with age after all I guess) but i do still get caught mainly when I'm too slow to reduce speed when max goes from 120 to 100 to 80 or something. Typically due to me being on cruise control.

Anyway, got caught in Switzerland:
- 650 CHF fine
- plus 3 month driving ban

I called the number on the letter and the lady was very helpful. What I in the end understood was that the fine could be changed to a 3 day prison term. I'm seriously considering that - more for the experience than saving the money. Question: how are Swiss prisons? Should I expect 3 days of catching up with sleep, reading 1-2 good books and eating acceptable chow... OR should I be expecting 3 days of hell and continuous vigilence to not get treated like in American History X?

Oh, and does something like this in any way impact getting (eventually) a residence permit in Switzerland?
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Old 19.11.2011, 15:02
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Hell, or sleep, it's all in the experience. Take it , it's a great story for your grand children...
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Re: Driving ban, fine OR jail?

George Michael's 80's hit Careless Whisper comes to mind ..... the version preferred in Swiss prisons, is a re-working by Michael, after his own prison experience .........






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What I in the end understood was that the fine could be changed to a 3 day prison term. I'm seriously considering that - more for the experience than saving the money.
I'm thinking maybe that a 3 day prison term would appear on your police record where as a fine wouldn't..?
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Old 19.11.2011, 15:16
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I'm thinking maybe that a 3 day prison term would appear on your police record where as a fine wouldn't..?
Yeah, but so what? Does that police record impact anything?
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Re: Driving ban, fine OR jail?

My brother did that - but honestly I'd rather pay than have a prison sentence on my record. It could easily catch up with you when job hunting, etc- just not worth it imho.

Personally I never use cruise control in areas where speed limit change regularly, like the M25 in London, and where there are Mway tunnels here in CH. Not a fan anyway in busy Mways either.
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Old 19.11.2011, 16:14
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My driving is a lot calmer in recent years (wisdom does come with age after all I guess) but i do still get caught mainly when I'm too slow to reduce speed when max goes from 120 to 100 to 80 or something. Typically due to me being on cruise control.

Anyway, got caught in Switzerland:
- 650 CHF fine
- plus 3 month driving ban
You must have been giving it beans to get such a high penalty. Was it on a motorway or in a built up area?

I know people who have been banned for one month and they were doing something like 30 or 35 over the speed limit on a motorway. A 3 month ban must have meant you were flying!
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Old 19.11.2011, 16:17
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I'm thinking maybe that a 3 day prison term would appear on your police record where as a fine wouldn't..?
I don't think it will be counted as a criminal record, fine has to be higher 5000 IIRC, a couple of days prision does not count.
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Old 19.11.2011, 16:21
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You must have been giving it beans to get such a high penalty. Was it on a motorway or in a built up area?

I know people who have been banned for one month and they were doing something like 30 or 35 over the speed limit on a motorway. A 3 month ban must have meant you were flying!
I wasn't really, I think the limit just dropped to 60 and i was doing 90 or 95. It was near Schaffhausen if not mistaken. Really an odd spot to all of a sudden drop to 60.

Maybe the penalty was so high because 4-5 years ago I had also had a driving ban in Switzerland.
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I'm thinking maybe that a 3 day prison term would appear on your police record where as a fine wouldn't..?
Unlike many other countries, traffic and criminal history records are not separated. I think any court-determined fined over 250chf appears on your "Strafregister" (police record), including traffic fines. Many jobs these days require you to provide a copy with any job application...A speeding fine would be ignored, but a stint in prison may not go down well with your new HR...
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I wasn't really, I think the limit just dropped to 60 and i was doing 90 or 95. It was near Schaffhausen if not mistaken. Really an odd spot to all of a sudden drop to 60.

Maybe the penalty was so high because 4-5 years ago I had also had a driving ban in Switzerland.
Oops, you might want to watch it if you are stacking them up. A ban on its own probably wouldn't affect your chances of getting residency but the ride might be a bit bumpier if you are a repeat offender.
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Unlike many other countries, traffic and criminal history records are not separated. I think any court-determined fined over 250chf appears on your "Strafregister" (police record), including traffic fines. Many jobs these days require you to provide a copy with any job application...A speeding fine would be ignored, but a stint in prison may not go down well with your new HR...
It's above 5000, that get recorded on the register.
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It's above 5000, that get recorded on the register.
Ah yes, I stand corrected. But I did find the following:

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Erscheinen Urteile wegen Geschwindigkeitsüberschreitungen und FIAZ auf dem Privatauszug?

Nur schwere Strassenverkehrsdelikte erscheinen im Strafregister-Auszug für Privatpersonen. Geschwindigkeitsüberschreitungen ab 25 km/h innerorts, 30 km/h ausserorts und 35 km/h auf der Autobahn sind Vergehen; entsprechende Urteile sind deshalb im Privatauszug für eine gewisse Dauer ersichtlich. Dies gilt auch für Urteile für das Fahren in angetrunkenem Zustand (FIAZ) ab einer Blutalkoholkonzentration von 0,8 Promillen. Hingegen werden Übertretungen im Strassenverkehr zwar im Strafregister eingetragen, erscheinen aber nicht im Privatauszug.
So basically, serious traffic offences including serious speeding fines are also entered.
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I think any court-determined fined over 250chf appears on your "Strafregister" (police record), including traffic fines.
Don't think so. I've twice had to provide a Swiss criminal record extract for UK organisations (for reasons of skiing with kids), the most recent being just a couple of months ago. I had a 800+chf speeding offence earlier this year, and one about four years back, and neither of these was listed on the extract.
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Many jobs these days require you to provide a copy with any job application...A speeding fine would be ignored, but a stint in prison may not go down well with your new HR...
I'd imagine that if the offence doesn't appear for a fine, it wouldn't for a short prison sentence either. BICBW.
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Old 20.11.2011, 17:44
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Question: how are Swiss prisons? Should I expect 3 days of catching up with sleep, reading 1-2 good books and eating acceptable chow... OR should I be expecting 3 days of hell and continuous vigilence to not get treated like in American History X?
Just make sure you take enough Vaseline for 3 days and you'll be be fine...
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Re: Driving ban, fine OR jail?

does days in jail for fines vary per person? This person talked of 3 days for 650? I'm told it's only 30 off the bill per day in jail
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does days in jail for fines vary per person? This person talked of 3 days for 650? I'm told it's only 30 off the bill per day in jail
Situation in Zürich:

You don't get to choose if you want to go to jail or go to prison, only after you refused to pay and Betreibung also did not get the bill paid you are likely to go to jail, the amount of replacement jail time is set the moment a judicial authority sets the fine and else it will correspond to the number of "Tagessätze"

So yes it can vary, but 30,- a day sounds incredible low.

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yeah 3 days I'd consider it but 30 days is crazy, esp for the "crime"
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What sort of job do you have that only pays 30/day?

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Re: Driving ban, fine OR jail?

>>You don't get to choose if you want to go to jail or go to prison


What's the difference between jail and prison?
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