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Question on 30 km/h Zone Rule

Hi all,

Just a quick question on the rules in a 30 km/h zone.

Who has right of way when entering or exiting a 30 km/h zone?

As an example in Uitikon-Waldegg, where I live, there is a 30 km/h zone in the town center, and the entries/exits have a reduced accessibility (i.e. only one car at a time can pass through the entry/exit).

So, if 2 cars arrive, from opposite directions, who has the right of way?

Personal feeling is that the car exiting the 30 km/h zone has right of way...
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Re: Question on 30 km/h Zone Rule

Not sure whether this applies in your area. However, look out for a sign that has 2 arrows on it. One will be pointing upwards & the other downwards. One will be white & the other red. White signifies right of way for you & red signifies you have to give way for oncoming traffic.

So whichever direction you are facing looking at the sign, if the arrow is facing upwards & is white, then you have right of way. If arrow faces upwards & is red, then you have to give way.

This sign is usually found at narrow crossings when only one car is able to pass at any given time.

Hope this helps. But if the sign is not present, then perhaps there is some other rules for this situation.
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Re: Question on 30 km/h Zone Rule

In crossroads, yield to the traffic coming from your right. When driving on a single lane watch for below signs or those b&w diagonal stripes usually attached to a flowerpot; if facing to you you must wait behind it untill no more counter traffic.


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Not sure whether this applies in your area. However, look out for a sign that has 2 arrows on it. One will be pointing upwards & the other downwards. One will be white & the other red. White signifies right of way for you & red signifies you have to give way for oncoming traffic.

So whichever direction you are facing looking at the sign, if the arrow is facing upwards & is white, then you have right of way. If arrow faces upwards & is red, then you have to give way.

This sign is usually found at narrow crossings when only one car is able to pass at any given time.

Hope this helps. But if the sign is not present, then perhaps there is some other rules for this situation.
Unfortunately, that sign isn't present So i guess there must be some other rule... Although did a search on Google and didn't come up with much...

Asked a couple of Swiss chaps and they also don't really know, except that they would tend to think that the exiting one has priority.

But still no concrete rule...
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In crossroads, yield to the traffic coming from your right. When driving on a single lane watch for below signs or those b&w diagonal stripes usually attached to a flowerpot; if facing to you you must wait behind it untill no more counter traffic.


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Doesn't have that sign...

no traffic coming from right, purely oncoming... except for at the other end, but then yield to your right makes sense, but still doesn't tell me for oncoming (assuming i am exiting or entering).
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Re: Question on 30 km/h Zone Rule

In that case (logically) the car still in the 30 zone must yield even to its left because the latter is still in a less restricted zone i.e. 50 if not otherwise regulated on spot
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Re: Question on 30 km/h Zone Rule

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Hi all,

Just a quick question on the rules in a 30 km/h zone.

Who has right of way when entering or exiting a 30 km/h zone?

As an example in Uitikon-Waldegg, where I live, there is a 30 km/h zone in the town center, and the entries/exits have a reduced accessibility (i.e. only one car at a time can pass through the entry/exit).

So, if 2 cars arrive, from opposite directions, who has the right of way?

Personal feeling is that the car exiting the 30 km/h zone has right of way...
I encountered the same situation when i was learning to drive. My instructor said the priority is same as when there are parked cars on one side of the road.

I.E when a road narrows to pass only one car then if the obstruction on the Road is on the Right side then You have to give way to oncoming traffic. But if the obstruction is on the left side of the road then you have priority (But as always you should not force priority )

I hope it makes sense...
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In that case (logically) the car still in the 30 zone must yield even to its left because the latter is still in a less restricted zone i.e. 50 if not otherwise regulated on spot
Really? A couple of the Swiss chaps, said that because you need to clear the restricted (30 km/h zone), they have priority...

Although again nobody seems to know the specific rule...

Is yours interpretation/logic or specific rule?
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I encountered the same situation when i was learning to drive. My instructor said the priority is same as when there are parked cars on one side of the road.

I.E when a road narrows to pass only one car then if the obstruction on the Road is on the Right side then You have to give way to oncoming traffic. But if the obstruction is on the left side of the road then you have priority (But as always you should not force priority )

I hope it makes sense...
The obstruction is both sides! And equally both sides...

I.e. narrowing is centered.
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Re: Question on 30 km/h Zone Rule

The vehicle that can most easily yield - should do. In this case - if you are turning from a 50kmh zone into a 30kmh, you are probably going to have priority because yielding is likely to be more difficult.

However - if a stream of traffic is exiting the 30kmh zone - then the 50kmh will have to yield.
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The vehicle that can most easily yield - should do. In this case - if you are turning from a 50kmh zone into a 30kmh, you are probably going to have priority because yielding is likely to be more difficult.

However - if a stream of traffic is exiting the 30kmh zone - then the 50kmh will have to yield.

Thanks, but sorry to be a sticky, but is that the hard and fast rule or probably right?
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Re: Question on 30 km/h Zone Rule

We have a number or these traffic slowing "flower pots" and reductions on the pedestrian crossings where we live.

Other than narrow bridges, you will not often find the two arrows sign.

Normally in these cases, it should be the person who arrives at the narrow area FIRST gets the priority. The second car then slows enough to let the other person through before going on. Frankly, to avoid accidents, it is best to let the other one go even if you think you were there first.

If you run into each other, you will both be charged/responsible.
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Re: Question on 30 km/h Zone Rule

In a situation in which a) the speed limit in the area in question is only 30 kmh; b) no signage indicates specific priority; and c) assuming driving "defensively" is not going to impede the flow of traffic in a significant way, I would probably drive assuming the other guy was going to expect me to yield. When I was sure that he was aware that I was going next, I would then proceed.

Given the questionability of the conditions you describe, choosing to drive more carefully than the other guy might just keep you out of an unnecessary scrape.
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Re: Question on 30 km/h Zone Rule

The Dietlikon planners must have been in Zug recently.

We now have a chicane system installed near us with large concrete triangular pieces (the Swiss love concrete as you know ) set in the road at various points. They're not very well illuminated. Well, actually they're not illuminated at all.

Last week one morning my wife heard a big bang.
An elderly local person had driven straight into one.
Car = Write off
No one hurt...

It might be the first, but unless they improve the visibility by e.g. painting flourescent panels on them, it won't be the last....
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Re: Question on 30 km/h Zone Rule

It really bugs me how each local authority here decides to reinvent the wheel with regard to such traffic calming measures and in fact road markings in general. I've never seen such a variety of approaches to the same problem with such a bewildering lack of communication as here in Switzerland. Some authorities seem to blow their budget giving architects/civil engineers the brief to design the most complex traffic flow systems possible.

I'm pleased they are stopping areas without cameras from being racetracks but they could use learning from outside Switzerland and implement mild speed bumps instead of road blocks. The high speed problems are usually middle of the night where the flowerboxes do no good whatsoever as there is no oncoming traffic to yield to. With speedbumps all the boy-racer shitboxes with superlow spoilers and exhausts would be forced to slow down by natural selection whilst the normal commuter flow would not be impeded by driving round concrete blocks/ flowerpots/ middle of the road 30 signs. Unfortunately there are probably too many people in positions of influence with low-riding Supercars and the like to vote such measures in.
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Re: Question on 30 km/h Zone Rule

Its like being on a hill. person going up the hill has priority....cause otherwise if he stops he might no be able to get back up...even in summer months this rule goes .
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Re: Question on 30 km/h Zone Rule

These concrete blocks or flowerpots are not a measure of speed limitation. They are there to make people aware that for a reason the road narrows ahead and tells who has right of way first. One of the most common reasons is the parking areas in line on the road. It's preferable if someone crashes into the block rather than the 1st parked car and it hits the 2nd....
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In a situation in which a) the speed limit in the area in question is only 30 kmh; b) no signage indicates specific priority; and c) assuming driving "defensively" is not going to impede the flow of traffic in a significant way, I would probably drive assuming the other guy was going to expect me to yield. When I was sure that he was aware that I was going next, I would then proceed.

Given the questionability of the conditions you describe, choosing to drive more carefully than the other guy might just keep you out of an unnecessary scrape.
Actually that reminds me, on a side note...

When I drive in Switzerland, I kind of feel like I need a checklist for every situation...
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Re: Question on 30 km/h Zone Rule

I think thw whole point of 30 zones is that because of the lower speed you should be able to stop more easily and common sense and tolerance to some extent replace hard rules. For example, if implemented properly, there should be no zebra crossings in 30 zones (except outside schools) but pedestrains can cross anywhere and motorists should be aware of that and be vigilant. Similarly there are no stop or give way signs but the right before left rule applies at all junctions without discrimination. Traffic psychologists believe that if you encourage people to think rather than follow rules, this decreases accidents.
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"common sense and tolerance to some extent replace hard rules"
In Switzerland??
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