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Old 11.12.2011, 23:33
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Audi's have great AWD, but horrendous reliability. Avoid them like the plague. The Forester is your best bet.
More rubbish IMHO.......

Check the statistics and be objective.
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Old 11.12.2011, 23:40
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Re: Car for Switzerland - biking/skiing

I'm going to say it.

(No, Adrian, don't!)

I am. I'm gonna just come out with it ...

Train!
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Old 11.12.2011, 23:46
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More rubbish IMHO.......

Check the statistics and be objective.
I would have thought the Forrester was OK rather than rubbish myself, I guess you drive a Ford?
Do you have a link Audi v Subaru.
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Old 12.12.2011, 10:50
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Historically one of the best cars in snow was a 2CV due to incredibly thin tyres, when choosing a car for the mountains it's something to think about. YMMV
Sorry....but statements like that is worth absolutely nothing.

Thin tires will certainly go through slush ice and water with more ease than wide tires.

However, thin tires will also have a much smaller foot print on the road and thus will not be able to get a grip as good as wider tires. Everything is a compromise and I would any day prefer a wide M+S tire with a good profile to a thinner one.....more grip.

Also I do not find it makes sense to compare modern cars with ESP, ABS and whatnot to a relic like the 2 CV from last millennium. How will that help OP choose?

I do not drive Ford, Skoda or other fine cars. I am a dedicated Audi owner and I do not reconize the statements about "horendious reliability" for the AWD.
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Old 12.12.2011, 10:59
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Re: Car for Switzerland - biking/skiing

Remember not to confusion grip with traction - and vice-versa.

Anyway - if you live in the mountains you'll notice the place littered with Subarus, Audis and 4-Motion VWs. As well as the obligatory old Suzukis, Mitsubishis Shogans etc

Do you really need 4wd? No. Does it help in conjunction with a good set of winter tyes? Yes.

If you need a big, cheap car - either an old Volvo or old Merc Estate will do the job - and go for one with a towbar.

If you need a temporary solution - I'll be selling our 25 year old VW Passat (with towbar) in Jan/Feb - which will give you 13 months (if you are Zurich based) before the next MFK.
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Old 12.12.2011, 11:21
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Remember not to confusion grip with traction - and vice-versa.
True....I would certainly be happy to have both.
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Old 12.12.2011, 11:39
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Re: Car for Switzerland - biking/skiing

I was in the same situation as you about 18 months ago, with a similar budget. In the end I got a 3 yr old Ford Focus 2.0 Kombi (estate) for 15k with about 50k km for 15k CHF. I was also looking at, and would have preferred, an Audi A4 or Subaru Forester or Legacy, but for similar money they were much older/higher kms and I wanted something that would last for a long time and be relatively cheap to run.

I found mine through Autoscout - seems to be the most widely used website.
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Re: Car for Switzerland - biking/skiing

According to the Touring Club of Switzerland, Subaru was the reliability winner in 2006: http://www.subaru.ch/htm/388/de/TCS-...icleReturn=387

If you want a car to get you from point A to B reliably, you will buy a Japanese car. Full stop. End of discussion. If you want to make the local mechanic rich, buy a VW or its jazzed-up cousin, the Audi.

Google the word "reliability" and Audi and you'll catch my drift.
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Don't try this in a RWD or FWD car without chains:
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