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Re: Speeding - Will I get my license taken away?

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Anyway, in the last tunnel, the speed limit was 80 km/h.
Actually, the 80 km/h limit begins at the exit near Mühlehorn. This means you went through six tunnels and past at least 6 "80" signs without realizing the speed limit.

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You just HAVE TO adjust to driving conditions and allow more space and take more care in weather like this- how can you break if there is an obstruction on the road, an accident, a kid, whatever
Terribly true. That section is known for extreme weather conditions. You can drive into a tunnel in rain and get out of it after a few hundred meters into 20 cm of fresh snow, and that possibly enhanced by gusts around 120 km/h. Speeding there is downright foolhardy. Believe me, I know what I'm talking about. I've been living there for 35 years.

I once experienced a situation exactly like the one mentioned above: Into a tunnel in rain on wet road, out of the tunnel (250 m) into full snow, big crash site 30 meters after the tunnel. Result: one tetraplegic (a.k.a. quadriplegic), three people with multible bone fractures, one face totally disfigured, three cars totaled, total hospital time (not counting the tetraplegic) eight months.

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This has to be the quote if the week from someone with 2 months' experience. There isn't a clever way to speed - only a stupid way.

For your information the speed limit is always 80kph on that curvy section (which I know sitting at my pc in my pyjamas and you didn't even know having driven past the signs). It is the original two-way road built before the long tunnel was built in the other direction.

Switzerland is not an easy country to drive in. Learn to slow down and concentrate...
Couldn't agree more.

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We're all a little self-righteous today aren't we? Drive at the speed limit on the freeway and you will constantly be overtaken.
Sad but true, but we must not take the @ssholes as a reference for our own behavior.

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If you want my opinion... Switzerland is nothing but one big speedtrap.
Am I right in assuming that your opinion is based on experience? Funny, I've been driving in this country for more than 40 years without a speed fine, and I'm not one of those annoying slowpokes with cigar and hat. So you, just like the OP, seem to be one of those smug drivers who think laws and regulations are there only for other (read: dumber) people.

Driving skills are one of the very few things that are spread over mankind very evenly: 95% of the drivers believe that they are above average.
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Old 17.12.2011, 12:58
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Re: Speeding - Will I get my license taken away?

Mr Lightspeed spent a lot of time explaining everything. You could at least search the forum before wingeing away,

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OP - to answer your question, rather than to treat you like a naughty child - No, you won't lose your license. The deductions will mean that it will just be a fine.



Maybe another lesson to learn here though is that there are some people who have lost loved ones or limbs through people doing exactly what you did - so suggest you say "I screwed up, what will happen", rather than the justification. The vast majority understand what you were trying to say, but there are those for whom this is understandably a difficult topic
Absolutely - if we are honest, we all speed sometimes- cleverly or not. But speeding on a busy Mway in sleet and poor visibility is just plain stupid, punkt schluss. Big lorries and indeed all vehicles deposit big lumps of snow and ice in tunnels too, which can create dangerous situations anyway. Saying so does not treat the OP like a 'naughty child' but more like a potential killer.
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Re: Speeding - Will I get my license taken away?

Wow, of all the things I expected from this thred, it wasn't so much 'hate'


Just fyi the conditions were really terrible but do you not understand that I was in a tunnel? Have you guys been in a Swiss tunnel before? You can basically live there for years its so well set-up. If you ask me, there isn't an excuse to speed 26 km/h in any condition, a tunnel or not but it happened without me realizing. When I consciously speed (whenI'm late, etc.) I always speed 10 km/h max (20km/h when in the 120 zone).

ANYWAY, I don't mind the 'criticism' as long as we all agree that my license won't get suspended. I've been told that after receiving your license, you are on 3 year 'probation'. But given that I was speeding about 20 km/h with all the radar tolerance and my car overestimating my speed, will I just pay a fine? I just really need the license to drive to work
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Wow, of all the things I expected from this thred, it wasn't so much 'hate'
Welcome to Switzerland where the media and a part of the population suffer from an almost pathological obsession with speeding and where the media coverage of speeders often rivals that of murderers and child molesters.

As you can see, some forum members are very well integrated.

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I've been told that after receiving your license, you are on 3 year 'probation'.
AFAIK the probation only matters for more serious stuff which isn't dealt with an administrative fine. E.g. if you were going over 105 kph after the tolerance deduction you might be in serious trouble now.

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But given that I was speeding about 20 km/h with all the radar tolerance and my car overestimating my speed, will I just pay a fine?
Yes. See above.

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I just really need the license to drive to work
So don't speed ...at least not too much.

...and check out this very informative thread!

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When I consciously speed (whenI'm late, etc.) I always speed 10 km/h max (20km/h when in the 120 zone).
Do you really think that such a minor difference in speed has such a big impact on your travel time?
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Do you really think that such a minor difference in speed has such a big impact on your travel time?
It has about a 15% impact on his travel time
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Wow, of all the things I expected from this thread, it wasn't so much 'hate'


Just fyi the conditions were really terrible but do you not understand that I was in a tunnel? Have you guys been in a Swiss tunnel before? You can basically live there for years its so well set-up. If you ask me, there isn't an excuse to speed 26 km/h in any condition, a tunnel or not but it happened without me realizing. When I consciously speed (whenI'm late, etc.) I always speed 10 km/h max (20km/h when in the 120 zone).

ANYWAY, I don't mind the 'criticism' as long as we all agree that my license won't get suspended. I've been told that after receiving your license, you are on 3 year 'probation'. But given that I was speeding about 20 km/h with all the radar tolerance and my car overestimating my speed, will I just pay a fine? I just really need the license to drive to work
It's not hate, just despair. See the bolded points...

Things happening without you "realising" smack of someone not paying attention in crap driving conditions. It's probably thanks to the drivers around you paying attention to the road (and to the muppet who is obviously NOT) that you didn't end up stuffed into another vehicle.

Mistakes happen and they can and do cause accidents, I admit, but you almost make it sound like a driving technique...
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Have you guys been in a Swiss tunnel before? You can basically live there for years its so well set-up. If you ask me, there isn't an excuse to speed 26 km/h in any condition, a tunnel or not but it happened without me realizing. When I consciously speed (whenI'm late, etc.) I always speed 10 km/h max (20km/h when in the 120 zone).

ANYWAY, I don't mind the 'criticism' as long as we all agree that my license won't get suspended.
If I were the judge, on your own evidence I'd ban you for a year and make your retake your test. Because I'm not sure you actually understand anything about driving a vehicle...
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Wow, of all the things I expected from this thred, it wasn't so much 'hate'
It's not hatred my friend, it's the frustration of experienced drivers who know the hazards of those roads, frustration caused by the fact that one of the main reasons of most road accidents is inadequate speed, very often by greenhorns.
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Just fyi the conditions were really terrible but do you not understand that I was in a tunnel? Have you guys been in a Swiss tunnel before?
Isn't the first thing to do in "really terrible conditions" lifting the right foot?
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If you ask me, there isn't an excuse to speed 26 km/h in any condition, a tunnel or not but it happened without me realizing.
Assuming you stuck to the speed limit outside the tunnel, you must have lost the last bit of concentration inside and really gunned her. That tunnel is less than 400 meters long. And, as we stated above, you had already driven past many "80" signs on the previous 5 1/2 km. You can't say you didn't know.
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When I consciously speed (whenI'm late, etc.) I always speed 10 km/h max (20km/h when in the 120 zone).
So you are that guy that always comes from behind like a greased lightning and tailgates me when I pass someone at the legal speed?

I wish Switzerland were that "one big speed trap" KeinFranzösisch said it is.
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Just fyi the conditions were really terrible but do you not understand that I was in a tunnel? Have you guys been in a Swiss tunnel before? You can basically live there for years its so well set-up.
Out of all places, a tunnel is the most stupid one to speed. By far.





This was in your so highly regarded Swiss tunnels. You can set them up as safe as you want - if the s*** hits the fan, there is nowhere to go!

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Re: Speeding - Will I get my license taken away?

re the speed. It really depends what car you got also.

in some cars you know you are going to fast and the change in speed takesa while. in others you dont even know until to late (flash or accident) so before judging the OP ..........




ps I dont speed
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It has about a 15% impact on his travel time
Wow! and between Zürich and Bern I bet you stop for coffee and Gipfeli at Grauholz
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If you ask me, there isn't an excuse to speed 26 km/h in any condition, a tunnel or not but it happened without me realizing. When I consciously speed (whenI'm late, etc.) I always speed 10 km/h max (20km/h when in the 120 zone).
Please don't do that up here, I'm on the Rescue Team with the local Firebrigade as "IN CAR ASSISSTANT". I get to tell you that they're cutting or the roof off your car, to get you out! while your bleeding, spitting and screaming blue murder at me
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in some cars you know you are going to fast and the change in speed takesa while.
You want a car with a brake pedal then...

To the OP: while the tunnel may be all nice and dry and cosy, it still is one of the most dangerous places on any road. Accidents and especially fires have terrible consequences - as a previous poster said, there's nowhere to go. Then, at the exit of the tunnel, you're hit by whatever the outside conditions are (rain, snow, wind, all of the above, or nice warm sunshine if you're lucky). Hit a snow covered motorway at 100 (or even 80) = odds-on for accidents.
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You want a car with a brake pedal then...

To the OP: while the tunnel may be all nice and dry and cosy, it still is one of the most dangerous places on any road. Accidents and especially fires have terrible consequences - as a previous poster said, there's nowhere to go. Then, at the exit of the tunnel, you're hit by whatever the outside conditions are (rain, snow, wind, all of the above, or nice warm sunshine if you're lucky). Hit a snow covered motorway at 100 (or even 80) = odds-on for accidents.
Came out of a tunnel on the West Umfahrung last winter into deep snow & there was a major crash with 8 or 9 vehicles; dark because one car had taken out the power supply. Luckily was not going fast so I could drive through without a problem.
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Can speeding be a criminal offense?


What would happen in this scenario:


If one was in a 60 zone on Seestrasse and while overtaking a slow-moving vehicle on a dotted line, he was flashed going at 110 km/h. What would be the sentence?
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Can speeding be a criminal offense?


What would happen in this scenario:


If one was in a 60 zone on Seestrasse and while overtaking a slow-moving vehicle on a dotted line, he was flashed going at 110 km/h. What would be the sentence?
50 over in a built-up area and overtaking? That's a fine of at least CHF 800, but more likely a date in court (no jail for first time offenders if you didn't cause an accident). Also, you can kiss your license goodbye for at least 3 months or permanently, depending on circumstances. Is all that part of "intelligent speeding"?

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there isn't an excuse to speed 26 km/h in any condition
Of course there are reasons to do so.

#1: absurdly low limits.

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Can speeding be a criminal offence? What would happen in this scenario: If one was in a 60 zone on Seestrasse and while overtaking a slow-moving vehicle on a dotted line, he was flashed going at 110 km/h. What would be the sentence?
Tried reading this thread again?

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How do speeding fines work in Switzerland? How do speeding fines work in Switzerland?
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