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New rules for severe speeding and other dangerous driving offences in Switzerland have been approved at National level yesterday- increasing prison sentences for perpetrators:

anybody driving at 70+ in a 30 zone, 100 in 50 zone, 140 in 80 zone

these drivers will not only get a heavy fine, but could see their licence and vehicle confiscated and receive a prison sentence.
Above - so drive carefully if you don't want to keep your licence, car and not end up in the clink.
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Old 30.12.2011, 11:16
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New rules for severe speeding and other dangerous driving offences in Switzerland have been approved at National level yesterday- increasing prison sentences for perpetrators:

anybody driving at 70+ in a 30 zone, 100 in 50 zone, 140 in 80 zone

these drivers will not only get a heavy fine, but could see their licence and vehicle confiscated and receive a prison sentence.
Above - so drive carefully if you don't want to keep your licence, car and not end up in the clink.
Well that law is still being debated in parliament and most likely won't become effective until 2013.

BTW it takes much much less to lose your license (and that's the current law!):
Go over the limit more than 20 kph innerorts (in town), 25 kph ausserorts (out of town) or 30 kph on the Autobahn and you can kiss your license goodbye for at least a month. Do 5 more and it's at least three months.
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Go over the limit more than 20 kph innerorts (in town), 25 kph ausserorts (out of town) or 30 kph on the Autobahn and you can kiss your license goodbye for at least a month. Do 5 more and it's at least three months.
And the problem is what exactly??

I didn't get above 100kmh driving in this morning - and most of that was the Autobahn.

Switzerland is small - it takes <3 hours to drive from 1 side to the other - whether you do 120kmh or 140kmh on the motorway.
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Well that law is still being debated in parliament and most likely won't become effective until 2013.

BTW it takes much much less to lose your license (and that's the current law!):
Go over the limit more than 20 kph innerorts (in town), 25 kph ausserorts (out of town) or 30 kph on the Autobahn and you can kiss your license goodbye for at least a month. Do 5 more and it's at least three months.
Gone to recycling- but out local rag reported it had been approved and would become effective in the New Year.
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Old 30.12.2011, 11:34
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And the problem is what exactly??
I was merely pointing out that it takes much less than the limits mentioned by odile to lose your license.

But since you were asking what the problem was: The main problem are the ridiculously slow speed limits in this country.

And yes, I do think that taking away someone's license for going 151 on the Autobahn in perfect conditions and low traffic is totally insane, but unfortunately the majority of Swiss seem to think differently.

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The main problem are the ridiculously slow speed limits in this country.
Low compared to where?

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Re: Speeding - Will I get my license taken away?

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Gone to recycling- but out local rag reported it had been approved and would become effective in the New Year.
The National Council approved it just before Christmas, but there are still some minor differences with the Council of States therefore it will be debated again in 2012.
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But since you were asking what the problem was: The main problem are the ridiculously slow speed limits in this country.
As asked by Tom - low compared with where and what?

The UK is 70mph - on mostly 3 lane motorways
The US varies between 55-75 on most interstates - with other areas peaking slightly higher. Many of which are arrow straight - something that can't be said for Switzerland.
Germany is 81mph - with over 50% (by distance) with fixed limits - the rest is "at a speed within the capabilities of the car and driver"
France is 81mph - and is far less densely populated, and has far fewer motorway junctions.

120kmh in Switzerland is fair and reasonable. Switzerland isn't a big country - and you're unlikely to save more than a few minutes trying to drive 150kmh over 120kmh anyway. If you do a 60kmh drive from town to town - you can easily lose those minutes with being caught at a red light.

I do a 60km (mixed road) drive on a regular basis - and it takes no perceivable amount of time longer cruising at 110kmh (on the cruise) to 130kmh. The route includes urban, 80,100 and 120 limit roads.
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Old 30.12.2011, 12:32
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Re: Speeding - Will I get my license taken away?

And the Scandinavian countries that I've been in (N, S, DK) all are much lower than here.

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As asked by Tom - low compared with where and what?
Germany, Austria, France, Italy, many US states, etc.

In addition many countries apply some tolerance and don't issue fines for 1 kph above the limit.
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In addition many countries apply some tolerance and don't issue fines for 1 kph above the limit.
Are you suggesting that Switzerland does? Not so. There's a +5kph margin, so a 1kph-over fine is incurred only if you're actually 6kph over.
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Germany, Austria, France, Italy, many US states, etc.

In addition many countries apply some tolerance and don't issue fines for 1 kph above the limit.
Are you sure you know what you're talking about? Most states have Interstate speed limits equal to or lower than the 120kph limit on Swiss highways.

And you do get "tolerance" here. A 6kph reduction was pointed out above. Your car speedometer doubtless reads even above the limit when you actually hit it, because that's the way the things are designed, so you've had your tolerance by the time they issue that 1kph fine.

If you have difficulties with keeping to the limit, I suggest investing in a car with cruise control. That Mercedes Distronic system is pretty nice.
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Re: Speeding - Will I get my license taken away?

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Are you suggesting that Switzerland does? Not so. There's a +5kph margin, so a 1kph-over fine is incurred only if you're actually 6kph over.
Not to mention the 7% over-reading designed into your speedometer to begin with.
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Re: Speeding - Will I get my license taken away?

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Germany, Austria, France, Italy, many US states, etc.

In addition many countries apply some tolerance and don't issue fines for 1 kph above the limit.
Switzerland used to have a limit of 130kmh - it was dropped to 120kmh - whereupon fatal crashes decreased by 12%.

Futhermore if you read Litespeeds thread - you'll note the tolerances for driving over the limit.
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Re: Speeding - Will I get my license taken away?

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Are you suggesting that Switzerland does? Not so. There's a +5kph margin, so a 1kph-over fine is incurred only if you're actually 6kph over.
I was actually referring to real tolerance, e.g. not issuing fines for minor infractions, such as a cop stopping you and reminding you to better watch your speed next time if you're just a few kph above the limit or not issuing fines if all the traffic is flowing a few kph above the limit.
The Swiss "tolerance" margin is to account for measurement errors only. This is not really tolerance but just a method to prevent too many fines ending up in court with the argument that speed was not properly measured, i.e. it's quite a different matter.

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Are you sure you know what you're talking about? Most states have Interstate speed limits equal to or lower than the 120kph limit on Swiss highways.
I was not just referring to the 120 kph but also to the 80 kph limit where the situation looks quite different, doesn't it?

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Switzerland used to have a limit of 130kmh - it was dropped to 120kmh - whereupon fatal crashes decreased by 12%.
Fatalities have been on the decline since the mid-seventies or so, when the 100/130 limit was introduced. The change to 80/120 did not have a discernable influence on the long term trend. You may have a point against not having a speed limit at all but not one for 80/120.

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120kmh in Switzerland is fair and reasonable. Switzerland isn't a big country[...]
Well, my life does not end at the Swiss border, does yours?

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I was not just referring to the 120 kph but also to the 80 kph limit where the situation looks quite different, doesn't it?
Yeah, a whopping 8kph difference (55mph = 88kph). And the roads here are narrower. Golly gee, beat the war drums over that one.

And on the flip side, many towns in the US have speed limits of 25 or 30mph throughout the entire town (40 or 48kph). Here it's 50kph more or less everywhere, with a few 30kph exceptions.
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Germany, Austria, France, Italy, many US states, etc.

In addition many countries apply some tolerance and don't issue fines for 1 kph above the limit.
Italy has many roads posted at 50, that here would be 80!

And Italy has lots more Autoveloxes than here.

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And Italy has lots more Autoveloxes than here.
Maybe more than Ticino, but I doubt that they beat the City and Canton of Zurich!
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I was actually referring to real tolerance, e.g. not issuing fines for minor infractions, such as a cop stopping you and reminding you to better watch your speed next time if you're just a few kph above the limit or not issuing fines if all the traffic is flowing a few kph above the limit.
Has that ever occured to you as an actual fact? A german or austrian cop stopping you, not fining you this time and asking you nicely to please slow down next time?

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Well, my life does not end at the Swiss border, does yours?
Well you mustn't spend much of it driving through France - the fixed radars have exactly the same tolerance as the Swiss ones and the fines are delivered automatically to your Swiss address (ain't progress great).
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Re: Speeding - Will I get my license taken away?

1) People let off with just a telling off
Yes - my father, around 1988, driving a Vauxhall Cavalier CDi - pulled for doing 93mph on the M5 on the way back from Cornwall on a Sunday night. Asked by the policeman to slow down a bit as he hated doing the paperwork on a Sunday evening

2) 80kmh limits
They are often there (in Europe as a whole) because they need to be. Typically tunnels and/or twisty sections with limited or zero run off. The section highlighted by the OP is twisty, with frequent tunnels and galleries - and subject to often very changeable weather. It is justified in my view.

3) Swiss limits beyond the border
Very odd statement. Switzerland isn't a big country - as I keep stating - taking <3 hours to cross isn't so bad. The Swiss motorway has a high density of use and most importantly junctions. The frequency of tunnels etc means a higher limit would only be for short sections. EG Chur to Zurich - arguably only Bilten to Lachen would be a suitable section. Once beyond Swiss borders I drive to the (approximate) limits - by which, as I do in Switzerland, I look at the limits, look at the penalty for exceeding them, and adjust my speed accordingly.

In over 7 years have I ever driven from Chur to Zurich (or vice versa) and really felt that I would want to drive @ 150kmh in order to save 3 minutes??? Nope.

In the end - the speed limit has been chosen - and you have the choice to whether you stick to it - exceed with a measured risk based on your own tolerance to penalty - or exceed with blind ignorance. That is your own personal choice.

Bitching and moaning about the limit achieves nothing.
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