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View Poll Results: Do you change your tires 2x per year?
Yes, I change full sets (tires+rims) 51 67.11%
Yes, I change only tires 14 18.42%
No, I drive all-season tires year-round 4 5.26%
No, I drive winter tires year-round 7 9.21%
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Re: Winter Tires Year-round

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This idea of having to switch to winter tyres is a complete rip off. I had driven on all season tyres through the worst imaginable snowstorms in Canada and upstate New York with no issues whatsoever. They perform very well in the summer as well. I have not met anyone in North America who uses winter tyres.

You are now in Europe so we don't need to hear how the americans do it better!!

While all season tyres may be fine there, the majority of tyres here are either summer or winter. Hence why there is a need if you are driving into certain locations that you need the correct tyres. Austria is one location where I am reasonable sure it is law and you will be asked not to proceed in some areas if you front up with summer tyres.
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you mean wheel balance i guess?
Correct wheel balancing is what I meant
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You are now in Europe so we don't need to hear how the americans do it better!!

While all season tyres may be fine there, the majority of tyres here are either summer or winter. Hence why there is a need if you are driving into certain locations that you need the correct tyres. Austria is one location where I am reasonable sure it is law and you will be asked not to proceed in some areas if you front up with summer tyres.

I am originally from Europe! You know what happens when you make an assumption?
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Old 01.02.2012, 13:39
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Cool, I was waiting for the "We do it different in the U.S." post on this thread. It was missing but it's here now
All Season tires work wonders as this video shows.

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Old 01.02.2012, 13:40
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Re: Winter Tires Year-round

If I recall correctly, my local garage charges 10 CHF to change one whole wheel (rim+ tire together), or about 40 CHF to remove the summer tire and put the winter one on. To have a full set of tires+rims for each summer and winter means a higher up-front cost, plus about 80 CHF cost to swap the wheels 2x per year (plus the time). 80 CHF is about the cost of one mid-priced tire. Instead of changing tires, after 2 years you could buy 2 new winter tires. So I think even if the winter tires do wear faster in summer, it still might be cheaper to leave winter tires on year-round. Plus less hassle.

On a side note, I am from New York (city are, not upstate) and there we got about the same amount of snow as here in Bern, but in NY I never saw anyone have winter/summer tires, everyone just had all-seasons, and it's not like cars were sliding all over the place there in winter. Of course every place does things different, and that doesn't mean one's right or the other's wrong. I think here in Switzerland, it's maybe more part of the culture to swap tires, because technically it's slightly more efficient (same why Europeans prefer manual transmissions over automatics). Or maybe if you drive to the mountains (which alot of people do) it's a good idea. But generally, for driving around Bern, I think summer/winter tires are kind of un-necessary. Which is why I think I'll just leave my winter tires on year-round. ...but so far, based on the poll above, I seem to be in the minority.
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Re: Winter Tires Year-round

I am using Cooper Discoverer M+S tires all year-round. They have been by far the best tires I 've ever owned. I have never experienced any problem driving on snow rain or dry. Had though some problems driving on ice but I don't think any other tire would have behaved better taking all things into account. I have driven approximately 35000 Kms and they still look like new. Cheers
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If I recall correctly, my local garage charges 10 CHF to change one whole wheel (rim+ tire together), or about 40 CHF to remove the summer tire and put the winter one on. To have a full set of tires+rims for each summer and winter means a higher up-front cost, plus about 80 CHF cost to swap the wheels 2x per year (plus the time). 80 CHF is about the cost of one mid-priced tire. Instead of changing tires, after 2 years you could buy 2 new winter tires. So I think even if the winter tires do wear faster in summer, it still might be cheaper to leave winter tires on year-round. Plus less hassle.

On a side note, I am from New York (city are, not upstate) and there we got about the same amount of snow as here in Bern, but in NY I never saw anyone have winter/summer tires, everyone just had all-seasons, and it's not like cars were sliding all over the place there in winter. Of course every place does things different, and that doesn't mean one's right or the other's wrong. I think here in Switzerland, it's maybe more part of the culture to swap tires, because technically it's slightly more efficient (same why Europeans prefer manual transmissions over automatics). Or maybe if you drive to the mountains (which alot of people do) it's a good idea. But generally, for driving around Bern, I think summer/winter tires are kind of un-necessary. Which is why I think I'll just leave my winter tires on year-round.

Careful, do not mention you are from NYC here. Judging by the reception you get on this forum, it's like speaking to an audience in Teheran.
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Storage and fitting twice a year will cost chf 300 probably which I think is an unnecessary expense. Not to mention finding the time to do it.

Blimey you are being ripped off. We pay 70chf a year at our local garage for them to store the rims plus tyres and swap them over twice a year.

We're getting a bargain methinks.
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Careful, do not mention you are from NYC here. Judging by the reception you get on this forum, it's like speaking to an audience in Teheran.
I've walked thru Jamacia, Queens at midnight, EF is a walk in the park
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Re: Winter Tires Year-round

We have 2 sets of wheels (different sized rims) and were swapping them over ourselves.

Two years ago we needed to buy new summer tires and were quoted 1800 chf. Buying online they wanted extra fitting fees or the tire places didn't stock the ones we wanted. We just left the winter ones on and they are still good. They are a fair bit noiser and screech a bit when it is warm. We don't drive much though.
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Re: Winter Tires Year-round

On a connected note if you mean to travel to Italy in the summer, I maybe be out of date but it was illegal to drive in the summer on winter tyres there, worth checking out.
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ripped off yet again....
If you are here long-term (ish) it is NOT a rip off at all, as a/ you, your family and other road users will be much safer and b/ your tyres will last much longer. Makes sense no?


stvJulia - I just love NYC. Doesn't mean we have to agree about tyres though
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All Season tires work wonders as this video shows.


Great, a bit like the UK!

BTW did you spot KeinFranzosich in the window?
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Two years ago we needed to buy new summer tires and were quoted 1800 chf.
That's insane, do you have some kind of special size or something? On-line at 123reifen.ch or reifendirekt.ch I can get 15" tires each for about 60 CHF (low-end), 80-100 CHF (mid-range) or higher for top-end stuff.

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On a connected note if you mean to travel to Italy in the summer, I maybe be out of date but it was illegal to drive in the summer on winter tyres there, worth checking out.
I just drove to Italy last summer, I didn't know they had any rules relating to driving there, it seemed like road-signs were just "suggestions"
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Re: Winter Tires Year-round

Unless like me you live VERY close to the border and the French shops are equidistant to the Swiss ones, it does not really make sense to go shopping in France or Germany for a loaf of bread and a few bits. But for a full set of rims and winter tyres, it would make sense to compare and make the journey worth while. BTW Sarko is putting up French VAT to 21.5% soon- so claim the VAT back as CH VAT is about half. Or fill the car up as each person can use his/her 300CHF allowance, 1 tyre/rim each.
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This idea of having to switch to winter tyres is a complete rip off. I had driven on all season tyres through the worst imaginable snowstorms in Canada and upstate New York with no issues whatsoever. They perform very well in the summer as well. I have not met anyone in North America who uses winter tyres.
I also come from the Upper Midwest and we got alot of snow. I ran winter tires on the rear seems like forever, but we get off the orod into the dirt now and then, plus the rain on gravel roads.. yuck.. but again we didn't have mountains and our insurance and police didn't look at our tires if they were winter, MS or all season.. it's like they say do it as the others do.. causes less problems. Oh we didn't have the Alps in the upper midwest and weren't in Switzerland. So my advice do as the others. A U.S. person here has to really shrink the bubble around him, cause we are always getting bumped if not on every move we make.
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Blimey you are being ripped off. We pay 70chf a year at our local garage for them to store the rims plus tyres and swap them over twice a year.

We're getting a bargain methinks.
We pay 30 for storage at the garage for the year, but one year he lost them..?
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NO.. tyre sets are classed as 1 item, they can not be split between a group
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On a connected note if you mean to travel to Italy in the summer, I maybe be out of date but it was illegal to drive in the summer on winter tyres there, worth checking out.
No, the opposite is true, but only up north, and only if there is snow on the road.

And in the US, we always used winter tires in the winter, and summer tires in the summer.

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