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Old 03.02.2012, 11:44
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It was not maximum 15 hours, from Oct to April it was FREE or unlimited, after April 01 it was max 15 hours stay.

Ok, now it's not.


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I don't understand sometimes the attitude of folks (at least in Switzerland) whenever they are confronted with a bill that makes no sense they still don't do anything about it but - pay up.
It makes no sense to you. It makes perfect sense to me: You need to pay because you were in violation of the rules. I WAS 15 hrs. Now it's not, it's 3. Did you stay longer than 3 hrs? Yes? So pay the fine.

It's really about taking responsibility for your actions. You over stayed. Ignorance is no excuse. But OK, if you want to protest, go for it. Why are you asking us?


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So far, in 3 years in Switzerland I have been sent 4 or 5 times bills that made no sense. All the times I was successful in protesting. One was about speeding (same car, same color, one number different 6 =/ 8), another was an admin mistake for a debt I had payed too late (which I had the proof I payed it on time) and some other, I don't remember. I never payed but protest it because I knew I had done nothing wrong. And it turned out I was right.
Those were mistakes. Mistakes happen & I wouldn't pay those either.


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So, no, I don't accept to be in blame when on Friday I entered unlimited/free parking and on Thursday I find out I have a fine for overstaying 3 hours today at 4pm because the parking arrangement was changed probably over the weekend or Monday. I was not the only one, there were at least 3 dozens of other cars.
Here is what you don't seem to understand. The limit was 15 hours, not 6 days non-Stop. Had you actually been there 15 hours after you left your car there you would have seen the new rules. How many hours were you parked there? Was is 15? No.

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Why should I feel lucky that I have found free parking in Switzerland "for so long"? In 3 years I have only bought the macaron during the summer (6 months) because many of the parking spaces near the lake become unlimited free parking during the winter months. This is well indicated on the panels, there are small boats parked inside, so why should I feel lucky about that? If I had seen a panel or a notice that the parking arrangement had been changed I would have not parked there. As I said, it's not a big deal, there is another one just 150 meters down the road so I went there. I'd rather walk 15 minutes than to pay for parking when it exists almost everywhere for free. People in Switzerland are not used to it because probably they have never searched for it. It's not the most convenient, you have to walk a bit and you save 30/40/50 CHF a month, it's not a lot but why not?
And now you see what happened. By leaving you car there indefinitely instead of for your allotted 15 hrs, people got fed up and now you've ruined it for everyone else.
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Old 03.02.2012, 11:50
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Re: Protesting an unfair parking fine

If you are sure that when you arrived there to park that the sign still said free parking in the winter, then it would be worth writing a letter to challenge the ticket.

From the sound of it, they changed the parking sign at some point while you were parked there and away from the car. Not sure where you would stand legally in this case. Technically you had not moved the car from the time when the old rules were in effect, but when does the commune consider the new rules to be enforced? Regardless, it can't hurt to try.

I really don't understand the "pay up and shut up" attitude especially if you truly believe you didn't miss the new sign. Maybe people like you and me are a little less integrated than some others on here.
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Ok, now it's not.




It makes no sense to you. It makes perfect sense to me: You need to pay because you were in violation of the rules. I WAS 15 hrs. Now it's not, it's 3. Did you stay longer than 3 hrs? Yes? So pay the fine.

It's really about taking responsibility for your actions. You over stayed. Ignorance is no excuse. But OK, if you want to protest, go for it. Why are you asking us?
From my understanding of the situation, and knowing the place he was parked, It wasn't 15 hours, the sign was free parking over the winter months and 15 hours in the summer months. So the rules changed while he was parked there legally. I understand why he/she is annoyed.
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Old 03.02.2012, 11:59
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If you are sure that when you arrived there to park that the sign still said free parking in the winter, then it would be worth writing a letter to challenge the ticket.

From the sound of it, they changed the parking sign at some point while you were parked there and away from the car. Not sure where you would stand legally in this case. Technically you had not moved the car from the time when the old rules were in effect, but when does the commune consider the new rules to be enforced? Regardless, it can't hurt to try.

I really don't understand the "pay up and shut up" attitude especially if you truly believe you didn't miss the new sign. Maybe people like you and me are a little less integrated than some others on here.
Agree.

We had a similar incident once: we park the car in the Residents Parking blue lots and displayed the permit. The gemeinde decided to clear that space for some roadworks by erecting a big sign to inform all car owners to remove their cars by X date - if not they'll be towed away.

Ours would have been towed if not for a good samaritan of a neighbour who informed us as the car was parked 2 streets away - hardly being used during the week.

You cant just erect signs out of nowhere. I mean, where' the logic? I've parked my car there, am I suppose to visit it regularly to check if the parking signs have changed?

However idefix, if you've indeed overstayed, because your original post and subsequent post wasnt really clear to me, pay up!
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Old 03.02.2012, 12:03
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Agree.

We had a similar incident once: we park the car in the Residents Parking blue lots and displayed the permit. The gemeinde decided to clear that space for some roadworks by erecting a big sign to inform all car owners to remove their cars by X date - if not they'll be towed away.

Ours would have been towed if not for a good samaritan of a neighbour who informed us as the car was parked 2 streets away - hardly being used during the week.

You cant just erect signs out of nowhere. I mean, where' the logic? I've parked my car there, am I suppose to visit it regularly to check if the parking signs have changed?

However idefix, if you've indeed overstayed 15 hours, then just pay up.
With the likes of the lot on this thread, the police should run around with signs changing parking conditions on a daily basis. They'd make a fortune from the "just pay it" crowd.
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Old 03.02.2012, 12:08
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Re: Protesting an unfair parking fine

Some cities in far away countries have solved this issue by writing down the license plate numbers of cars parked in an area that will be effected by a change in parking regulations. The cars that were initially legally parked won't get a ticket. If it so happens that the street has to be cleared of the cars, the ones that were there before new rules, get towed free of charge. The only issue is to find your car after that..
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Old 03.02.2012, 12:10
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With the likes of the lot on this thread, the police should run around with signs changing parking conditions on a daily basis. They'd make a fortune from the "just pay it" crowd.
To be fair Mel, it really wasnt that clear in his original post which said:

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I park my car at a free parking space near Pully Port in Lausanne, this parking has (had) sign max 15 hours free from Oct - April.
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It was not maximum 15 hours, from Oct to April it was FREE or unlimited, after April 01 it was max 15 hours stay.
If I didnt read the follow up post, I would have assumed he overstayed the 15 hours from Oct-April too.
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Re: Protesting an unfair parking fine

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We had a similar incident once: we park the car in the Residents Parking blue lots and displayed the permit. The gemeinde decided to clear that space for some roadworks by erecting a big sign to inform all car owners to remove their cars by X date - if not they'll be towed away.

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You cant just erect signs out of nowhere. I mean, where' the logic? I've parked my car there, am I suppose to visit it regularly to check if the parking signs have changed?
I see your point. However I was really glad that for our move we were able to have put up signs to free up two blue parking spaces only two days prior to the arrival of our removal van. I guess there are often two sides to every story.
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From my understanding of the situation, and knowing the place he was parked, It wasn't 15 hours, the sign was free parking over the winter months and 15 hours in the summer months. So the rules changed while he was parked there legally. I understand why he/she is annoyed.
Ah, now I see. Well, that makes more sense.

I don't see it as "put up or shut up". You have to accept responsibility for your actions and there are lots of people on here who don't want to do that. They don't think the rules apply to them. Trust me I'm not all that integrated. But if I break the rules (and I do) and I get called out (and I do), then I pay.

In this case I assumed he had 15 hrs and was going over that. In that case he would have gone over his limit and then I think he should take responsibility and pay.

If however it's as you say, then I see he has a right to protest.
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Old 03.02.2012, 12:20
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To be fair Mel, it really wasnt that clear in his original post which said:



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If I didnt read the follow up post, I would have assumed he overstayed the 15 hours from Oct-April too.
Yeah, I see the confusion over his wording in the first post but he was still be harangued after he clarified on post 7. Anyway, good luck to him. Hopefully he'll update this thread and let us know if he manages to get out of the fine.

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Old 03.02.2012, 12:26
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Yeah, I see the confusion over his wording in the first post but he was still be harangued after he clarified on post 7. Anyway, good luck to him. Hopefully he'll let update this thread and let us know if he manages to get out of the fine.
Gosh. I answered his post 7 and didn't read to the end. TL;DR
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Old 03.02.2012, 12:47
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Re: Protesting an unfair parking fine

It sounds like technically you're in the right BUT I imagine some call could be made on their part for the fact of not even checking on your car since last weekend, as you don't even know for sure when the sign was changed.

So, rather than go in with "guns blazing", go to the city office, or write, and calmly explain the situation, "verifying" what their expectations were vs your own. Perhaps a courteous agreement could be made that settles things fairly for both sides.

My point of view is that a "fair expectation" of unlimited free parking would likely not include it being intended to mean the area is a free space for vehicle storage. Point being: try and make your case for a lesser fine (if not dropped), rather than insisting that you're right and they're wrong.
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Why should I feel lucky that I have found free parking in Switzerland "for so long"? In 3 years I have only bought the macaron during the summer
macaron? They're good all year around, not sure what they have to do with this thread though.

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Hi, a bit strange situation so hopefully I will get some advice on how to proceed with this.

I park my car at a free parking space near Pully Port in Lausanne, this parking has (had) sign max 15 hours free from Oct - April. The parking lot was full with cars that were staying for weeks if not months at all times. I usually park the car there for about 5 days a week when I am not in Lausanne and I travel to Geneve.

Today I came to see a parking fine on all the cars around including mine. The parking fine is I have parked in a place where maximum is 3 hours time and I have not put the blue sign. I went at the beginning of the entry and really, they have changed the sign, it's max 3 hours parking now.

Fair enough, I parked it there last Friday and I saw no notice or change of sign. Of course I did not park it there on purpose if I knew that they will change the parking arrangement.

Is there anyway to protest this fine?

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Uuum, think you were doing a tease, with speed-readers in your quotation of free parking Oct to April versus other dates maximum of 15hours parking.

If you have a photo of the original sign, that would add weight to your objection with the authorities.

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Re: Protesting an unfair parking fine

OK, I have been to the police this afternoon and I talked to a person there. They are aware of the issue, as I said, I explained I had parked the car there for long periods without going and checking it (why should I, anyway?) and they gave me a direct contact from the ticket department to write a claim. They were not able to intervene but were confident that they fine will be annulled.

And they told me that there is another free parking just 150 meter down the road where I can leave my car now...

Again, maybe it was not cleared in my previous posts, I did not overstay on the parking. The sign was written max 15 hours (October - April free).

I am bit sad that people reacted like this on my topic - pay up!, you had it free for so long, now pay!

I understand they are frustrated to pay 100, 150 or even 200 CHF per month for parking space and they think "it's Switzerland that's the way to go" but I can assure you it's not correct. There is a less convenient way of walking 5-10 minutes in the winter to a free unlimited parking. I've found them in Geneve, Lausanne, everywhere I've been. You only need to search.
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Well you see you have answered your own question, lol. Much better to go to the relevant department and discuss the issue than to ask here
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Re: Protesting an unfair parking fine

I am glad you had a positive answer from the police idefix. I also believe it was not fair.

I also have this maybe not the same but similar situation. I found a parking ticket on my car, parked in a communal parking lot for which I bought the yearly vignette (for habitants). The vignette was there behind the front vent window, where it stayed for months now, without a problem.

I wrote a letter to the police explaining the situation. On my vignette, there is a date of purchase which proves that at the time the ticket was issued, I had the right to park there.

Anyway, today I received a reply from the police saying that the police report says there was no vignette behind the wind-shield, so I have to pay. If not, it will be transferred to the public ministry, and extra charges (150chf) will apply. (sounds threatening)

So, there is no way to prove that the vignette was/wasn't there.. I guess I just have to accept it and pay up! And pray that next time the policeman will be more careful =/
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Re: Protesting an unfair parking fine

While the answer by the police may have been positive, it would be interesting to know what the outcome actually was... Idefix?
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Re: Protesting an unfair parking fine

If you were not warned ahead by mail or newspaper or a sign at the parking, I think you may have a case.
I always protest this kind of stuff and you would be suprised how often I get things my way. If you end up with a nice police man at the station, he will be understanding.
Worth a try!
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Hi, a bit strange situation so hopefully I will get some advice on how to proceed with this.

I park my car at a free parking space near Pully Port in Lausanne, this parking has (had) sign max 15 hours free from Oct - April. The parking lot was full with cars that were staying for weeks if not months at all times. I usually park the car there for about 5 days a week when I am not in Lausanne and I travel to Geneve.

Today I came to see a parking fine on all the cars around including mine. The parking fine is I have parked in a place where maximum is 3 hours time and I have not put the blue sign. I went at the beginning of the entry and really, they have changed the sign, it's max 3 hours parking now.

Fair enough, I parked it there last Friday and I saw no notice or change of sign. Of course I did not park it there on purpose if I knew that they will change the parking arrangement.

Is there anyway to protest this fine?

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15 hours max, but you parked there for several days, and now you're surprised you've been fined?
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