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Old 28.02.2012, 23:56
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Re: Heidegger BMW/Alpina - Exceptional Service

Sweet!! The B3 is awesome. Forget the M3 - 90% of the time the B3 is quicker, handles better and you don't need to thrash the nuts off it to get there.

My wife's last car in the UK before coming out was a D3 .... OK, it's a diesel and two thirds the power, but more torque and the same suspension. That car was absolutely awesome!!
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Sweet!! The B3 is awesome. Forget the M3 - 90% of the time the B3 is quicker, handles better and you don't need to thrash the nuts off it to get there.
This is the usual myth people that haven't driven an M3 believe.

The B3 is a good car, but it cannot compare to an M3
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Old 29.02.2012, 09:39
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This is the usual myth people that haven't driven an M3 believe. The B3 is a good car, but it cannot compare to an M3
90% of the time the B3 is as quick as the M3 - it is only when you push beyond that will the M3 have the advantage - mostly that is down to the slippy diff sitting between the rear wheels.

The rest of the time the B3 will be as quick - and if you spend your time schlepping through town - or up and down a motorway - the B3 will be the more comfortable place to be.

If you spend your life driving at 9-10/10ths go for the M3 - if you don't the B3 is better than its rivals - especially with xDrive.

(And yes I have driven them all - and own a B3 and a M3)
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90% of the time the B3 is as quick as the M3 - it is only when you push beyond that will the M3 have the advantage - mostly that is down to the slippy diff sitting between the rear wheels.

The rest of the time the B3 will be as quick - and if you spend your time schlepping through town - or up and down a motorway - the B3 will be the more comfortable place to be.

If you spend your life driving at 9-10/10ths go for the M3 - if you don't the B3 is better than its rivals - especially with xDrive.

(And yes I have driven them all - and own a B3 and a M3)
I think I would go for the B3 as well. The only thing that would make me doubt is the V8.

I have seen an E90 B3 yesterday. Looks really nice as well and almost anonymous.
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Old 29.02.2012, 10:16
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Re: Heidegger BMW/Alpina - Exceptional Service

I too decided on a single car for the family that could do fun and not get stuck in the snow (4WD). I ended up getting an Audi S4. It was great in the winter, however when pushed it continuously understeered.

How is the B3 in meeting all your goals?

For me I have finally gotten rid of the S4 and decided to get one boring practical car and one fun car.
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90% of the time the B3 is as quick as the M3 - it is only when you push beyond that will the M3 have the advantage - mostly that is down to the slippy diff sitting between the rear wheels.

The rest of the time the B3 will be as quick - and if you spend your time schlepping through town - or up and down a motorway - the B3 will be the more comfortable place to be.

If you spend your life driving at 9-10/10ths go for the M3 - if you don't the B3 is better than its rivals - especially with xDrive.

(And yes I have driven them all - and own a B3 and a M3)
Well that is interesting because the M3 E92 has 70hp more.
If you consider 90% the 2-3k rpm, then we are not talking the same language.
I know tuned 335s with 400+ hp that struggle to keep up with an M3 E92.

For the record, the normal 135i/335i also have rev limit @ 7k rpm (you mentioned in the beggining that the B3 has increased rev limit @ 7k rpm).

I don't want to comment on the xDrive. 4x4 on a BMW is embarrassing unless it's an SUV.
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How many LB did you seriously drove?
Plenty from all ranges Olds, Caddys, Ford, Dodge you name it and I probably drove it.
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Yes - Cadillac STS V8 and a Dodge Charger V6 - in Red - in Georgia - yeeha.
To be honest..those are probably some of the most terrbile cars, especially in the rental settings as they offer no frills/comfort and are usually underpowered...so you're experience is quite limite IMO. Another thing you've mentioned earlire was the leather. I find quite the opposite. Well, first of all hardly any Euro car has leather..except your Bimmers, Benzes etc. and then it doesn't look not feel good (too much like a dentists chair...not sure if that the continental idea of driving but it sure as heck isn't comfy).
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Old 29.02.2012, 12:02
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Well that is interesting because the M3 E92 has 70hp more.
If you consider 90% the 2-3k rpm, then we are not talking the same language.
I know tuned 335s with 400+ hp that struggle to keep up with an M3 E92.

For the record, the normal 135i/335i also have rev limit @ 7k rpm (you mentioned in the beggining that the B3 has increased rev limit @ 7k rpm).

I don't want to comment on the xDrive. 4x4 on a BMW is embarrassing unless it's an SUV.
90% of driving doesn't take part between 5000-8500rpm. What you really want is a good slug of low down torque - which is what the M3 is missing. The M3 (and M5) engines are the last of the high revving N/A engines - they will be sadly missed - but they don't offer real world performance. If you need proof of this - look at the engine in the new M5. It is also worth noting that most Alpinas will dyno higher than their official figures - they seem to be averaging around 370ps.

Secondly it is not all about power. For 90% of drives you want a suspension which isn't going to bump and crash over every imperfection. You're willing to sacrifice slight stiffness in a spring rate in order to maintain comfort. The same goes for matching springs, dampers, bushes, anti-roll bars and tyre pressures.

Thirdly every day driving doesn't need 8 hungry cylinders being fed fuel at the rate the M3 likes it.

Finally, for an everyday car, in Switzerland, when you have a house at 900m, 4-wheel drive is important. I have lost count of the number of times I would have had to resort to chains if I had opted for the RWD option!

As for the stats:
0-100kmh B3X = 4.9; M3 = 4.8
Power B3X = 360ps @ 6500rpm; M3 420ps @ 8300rpm
Torque B3X = 540nm @ 3800-5000rpm; M3 400nm @ 3900rpm
Max kmh B3X = 290kmh; M3 = 250kmh
Consumption B3X = 10.1; M3 = 12.4 (M3 = latest model and not one from 2008)

The M3 is glorious - the engine note alone is worth the price tag - but in my view it lacks the overall useability of the B3.

As I said - the last 10% is M3 all the way. Those, infrequent, drives when you are balancing the car on the very limits, at those times, the M3 (with its M-diff) will walk away from the B3 - as despite the electronics in the xDrive trying to act like a slippy diff - it really doesn't match up to a proper LSD.
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Re: Heidegger BMW/Alpina - Exceptional Service

Fair enough, you are talking about a car that is used on a daily basis.
I totally agree the B3 is superior than the M3 in these conditions.
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