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Old 07.03.2012, 22:31
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I agree. However we could also say 'should non-veterans behave like this?'. I have not handed out any bad rep so I wonder why the others do this? I enjoy the points made by everyone even if I dont agree with them but then isn't that what this forum is about? It seems to me that some people are taking themselves and their opinions to seriously.

Now, would someone like to get the thread back on topic?
Well, I handed out no reps, green nor red.

Meanwhile, back to MY question:

Which of those here who CAN vote on the matter, how would you vote?

I gave my yes, and am waiting for all the rest of you Swissies to vote!

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Old 08.03.2012, 09:42
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I enjoy the points made by everyone even if I dont agree with them but then isn't that what this forum is about?


Oh, I thought this forum is about sharing information and discussing interesting topics.

Sorry for my misunderstanding.
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the funny thing is that bikers or their promoters here really confirm all stereotypes people got from them. And I doubt this in the bikers' interest. But maybe I got that wrong.

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Old 08.03.2012, 11:09
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If it's so much fun then why are you handing out bad reputaion?
To be fair, he's not. The reputation system only allows members in good standing, ie people who have contributed something that another member found worthwhile, to hand out rep. At the beginning of your "EF life", or once you go red, you don't have the ability to red rep someone.

But he compensates by using the bold text, no worries. Where intellect fails, you can always rely on shouting.
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To be fair, he's not. The reputation system only allows members in good standing, ie people who have contributed something that another member found worthwhile, to hand out rep. At the beginning of your "EF life", or once you go red, you don't have the ability to red rep someone.

But he compensates by using the bold text, no worries. Where intellect fails, you can always rely on shouting.
EPMike IS considered a nuisance.
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Old 08.03.2012, 11:58
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But he compensates by using the bold text, no worries.
With your nice little rep system you prefer using (thousands of post just to gather sufficient greenies to red rep others that probably gives you some sort of satisfaction you seem not getting elsewhere), if I were you, I would ask myself some questions about compensating for something (I mean lack of something).

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Where intellect fails, you can always rely on shouting.
Luckily you are not the one to decide that...but if saying that makes you happy, I am happy if you are happy.

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Good for you, I am glad I made your life happier!!!

BTW:I build my career on becoming a nuisance, it helps you "filter".
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Old 08.03.2012, 12:03
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Where intellect fails, you can always rely on shouting.

Oh I see, so (ab) using your rep system instead ofcounter-arguments is what you call intellect on this forum? Did not know that -Again sorry for my misunderstanding. Or is it (as someone else pointed it out above) just a biker behaviour.
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Re: initiative to allow motorbikes to filter in traffic

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EPMike IS considered a nuisance.
Well, it might be a cultural thing, but not a few people I know would easily define some veterans' behavior in this thread as being "abbastanza cafone" (what does not mean I would completely agree on this, not knowing users personally and not having read all their thousends of posts).

I don't know how you handle with this point in this forum, but imho it is a huge difference if a newbie doesn't know how to behave or if it's a or more than one forum veteran.


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Meanwhile, back to MY question:

Which of those here who CAN vote on the matter, how would you vote?

I gave my yes, and am waiting for all the rest of you Swissies to vote!

Tom
If you want to imply that living in CH for 22 years (what might not be such a terribly long time) is special and that in this forum only who has Swiss citizenship counts,

there's another point I got wrong.
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Old 08.03.2012, 12:16
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it is a huge difference if a newbie doesn't know how to behave or if it's a or more than one forum veteran.
Just sticking to the forum "rules".
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Old 08.03.2012, 12:17
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Re: initiative to allow motorbikes to filter in traffic

I would suggest, Bucentaure, that you go back and carefully read this thread. Consider who has attacked whom, and whether you've been attacked for having a different opinion that you express coherently and politely.

No? Then perhaps you might want to rethink whether the "forum veterans" are really the ones behaving unreasonably.

By the way, this mike character is hardly a newb - he's been a member since March 2010. Plenty of time for people to gain an insight to his character through his posts.
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I would suggest, Bucentaure, that you go back and carefully read this thread. Consider who has attacked whom
Yes, please do.
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Old 08.03.2012, 12:33
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If you want to imply that living in CH for 22 years (what might not be such a terribly long time) is special and that in this forum only who has Swiss citizenship counts,

there's another point I got wrong.
Indeed, I've lived in CH for 26 years (of which, 22 in TI).

And, as we are (or were) discussing an initiative, which would need to be voted on, ultimately it's only those who CAN vote on it that ultimately matters!

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if I were you, I would ask myself some questions about compensating for something (I mean lack of something).
Still on about your wingmirrors? Let it go.
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I belive you are actually talking to yourself

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Oh yes, I need to run away, OMG I am scared. Scary phdoofus is after me, OMG!!!

You see some of us need to work as well. You see EF is not my full time job (apparently it is for some "legends" here) for me EF is just fun in between, and GOD I am having fun messing with you!!!
you don't actually seem to be having so much fun.
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Old 08.03.2012, 12:45
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With your nice little rep system you prefer using (thousands of post just to gather sufficient greenies to red rep others that probably gives you some sort of satisfaction you seem not getting elsewhere), if I were you, I would ask myself some questions about compensating for something (I mean lack of something).

Luckily you are not the one to decide that...but if saying that makes you happy, I am happy if you are happy.



Good for you, I am glad I made your life happier!!!

BTW:I build my career on becoming a nuisance, it helps you "filter".
hang on, you're trying to claim the moral high ground yet have awarded me a red dot.....you can't have it both ways, Michael.

anyway, filtering is great. I actually sympathise with your broken mirror, I do - nobody should filter without due consideration for the safety of themselves and others (property included).

But to be honest, it's all overshadowed by comments by you suggesting "we need more organ donors". That's absolutely shocking behaviour. You, buddy, are way out of line.
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I would suggest, Bucentaure, that you ...Consider ... whether you've been attacked for having a different opinion that you express coherently and politely.
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Odd discussion.

There are good reasons why filtering in for bikers is forbidden by codices in CH, D, F, I ... (btw also in Ticino),

just because the Police do overlook it (when maybe it's practiced with a bit of common sense, as otherwise traffic would be like hell maybe) does not mean that it is legal and that in case of accident you will not lose your insurance cover e.g.

Unfortunately Swiss traffic infrastructure (compared to Germany or Italy e.g.) is not very good, we have old narrow streets, conflicts of competence, rising numbers of foreign workers and so on without having enough resources for general street improvement, ...

... but the answer cannot be that one to allow illegality and lack of safety become the law.
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But to be honest, it's all overshadowed by comments by you suggesting "we need more organ donors". That's absolutely shocking behaviour. You, buddy, are way out of line.
I admit that, but do not forget:
- that was not how this started!!!
- I was not the not the one who wrote that first!
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Re: initiative to allow motorbikes to filter in traffic

Back ontopic...

I personally find Switzerland as relying a lot on common sense. At least compared to other countries. Most of the rules are based on this with a stress on safety and not disturbing the others.

Filtering IS dangereous and bring more chaos on the street.
So unless it is strictly regulated, like when (cars not moving), where (which sides, lane, ...), how (what speed, ...) and such, traffic participants including fellow bikers would have a rough time looking much more in the mirrors than traffic ahead.

I agree that everyone wants to get more rights for its own driving (activities) types but we should all think at a bigger level. If traffic is well regulated than it is safer. Being more exposed on a motorcycle I would vote for a safer rule. Life is just more precious than getting faster to work.

So I cannot vote unless I would know the full related regulations.
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And I am the hypocrit?
Mike, if you wind your neck in just a little, you will see that the filterers AGREE with you that filtering should not cause harm, damage or danger to those being passed.

Your suggestion that bikes filtering past you causes you delays is ridiculous. Have you been in your car at the lights with a bike in front of you? What happened when the light went green? Were you delayed?
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