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initiative to allow motorbikes to filter in traffic

http://www.20min.ch/news/schweiz/story/20726582


go get signing, get the old woman that lives next to you to sign also, its about time they changed the law as the majority filter anyway.

There will of course be the nay sayers, they are just jealous they are stuck in traffic and bikers can zip past.
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Old 17.02.2012, 22:23
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Re: initiative to allow motorbikes to filter in traffic

Well I can't sign as I am a wretched furriner, and it won't change my life as I use the bus lanes already.

But a very good initiative indeed!
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Old 17.02.2012, 22:27
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Re: initiative to allow motorbikes to filter in traffic

Where do I sign?!
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Old 17.02.2012, 22:40
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Re: initiative to allow motorbikes to filter in traffic

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go get signing, get the old woman that lives next to you to sign also, its about time they changed the law as the majority filter anyway.

There will of course be the nay sayers, they are just jealous they are stuck in traffic and bikers can zip past.
Since when isn't it allowed?

Or does it depend on the canton?

(here it's the norm, I've no qualms filtering past cops)

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Old 17.02.2012, 23:06
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Re: initiative to allow motorbikes to filter in traffic

Tom, do you live in Lugano, or have you moved to Napoli?
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Old 17.02.2012, 23:12
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Re: initiative to allow motorbikes to filter in traffic

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Tom, do you live in Lugano, or have you moved to Napoli?
Lugano, and it's always been the norm here (22 years here).

Same in Grigioni.

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Re: initiative to allow motorbikes to filter in traffic

riding a motorbike is so dangerous already why would anyone want to create more chaos and turn this into Italy! (sorry to the Italian but really)...and I AM a motorcycle rider...
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Old 18.02.2012, 01:14
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riding a motorbike is so dangerous already why would anyone want to create more chaos and turn this into Italy! (sorry to the Italian but really)...and I AM a motorcycle rider...
Works here!

Maybe the Swiss-Germans are worse drivers and have slower reactions?

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Old 18.02.2012, 01:20
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Works here!

Maybe the Swiss-Germans are worse drivers and have slower reactions?

Tom
boohoo I hate it when someone does it while I am following the rules!
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Old 18.02.2012, 01:28
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Re: initiative to allow motorbikes to filter in traffic

What's the fine for filtering now? I guess you have to be lucky for a police vehicle to see you?

I have only seen it around the French border during rush hour...
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Old 18.02.2012, 01:30
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boohoo I hate it when someone does it while I am following the rules!
Here it's normal, so don't know if the rules depend on the canton or are simply ignored here.

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Re: initiative to allow motorbikes to filter in traffic

my colleague had a 240chf fine after filtering past an unmarked police car
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Old 18.02.2012, 21:12
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Re: initiative to allow motorbikes to filter in traffic

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boohoo I hate it when someone does it while I am following the rules!
This attitude, more than any questions of safety, will be the reason this initiative will likely falter.
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Old 18.02.2012, 21:52
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Re: initiative to allow motorbikes to filter in traffic

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Since when isn't it allowed?

Or does it depend on the canton?

(here it's the norm, I've no qualms filtering past cops)

Tom
See the OP's line about "since everyone does it anyway." It is illegal, though you rarely get stopped for it (though I've heard of checkpoints set up specifically for it in Zurich).
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Old 19.02.2012, 00:51
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Re: initiative to allow motorbikes to filter in traffic

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It is illegal
In every canton?

I doubt it.

I don't need blinkers here, all traffic rules are NOT the same everywhere here!

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Old 19.02.2012, 01:01
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Re: initiative to allow motorbikes to filter in traffic

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my colleague had a 240chf fine after filtering past an unmarked police car
Here, everyone regularly filters past normal police cars, so I doubt it's illegal here!

Again, it may be illegal in YOUR canton, but not here. (just as in the US, where it is legal in CA, but not in other states)

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Re: initiative to allow motorbikes to filter in traffic

This law is regulated, like all other motoring laws, on a FEDERAL level. Meaning that the rules of the road are the same in EVERY canton. The INTERPRETATION of those rules is likely to be different in each canton.

In Lausanne, filtering got my friend a 40 CHF fine and strict warning. Here in Basel, filtering at low speeds on the highway past several police vehicles was completely fine (on several occasions). Filtering in Aargau, on the other hand, has had a friend of mine hand over 240 CHF.

In other words, this initiative seeks to make it very clear for the whole country that it is perfectly legal, which is NOT the case right now.

I may add that as a rider myself, I consider filtering to be dangerous ONLY if traffic is moving. Provided the cars are stopped, I see no reason to utilize the space (bus lanes, space between lanes) to overtake other vehicles provided it is done safely. This initiative not only aims to make this legal and safe, but also to allow the flow of traffic to operate more smoothly.

My signature is all over this one, even if I were not a rider.
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Re: initiative to allow motorbikes to filter in traffic

st2lemans is right see the Swiss constitution Art. 46
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The Confederation shall allow the Cantons all possible discretion to organise their own affairs and shall take account of cantonal particularities.
(Ticino just does not care about Art. 49)

And the law against filtering is in Art. 47 Abs 2 SVG (Italian)
The fine is CHF 60.- (See No. 302)
Overtaking via a lane that has not the same destination CHF 100.- No. 315 (See Art. 13 Abs 3 VRV )
Riding in the Buslane (where not allowed) CHF 60.- No. 307.
Riding on the Sidewalk CHF 100.- No. 301
Overtaking on the right hand side (with switching lanes) CHF 140.- No. 314

The worst you can do is to cross a solid line. Not on the list! It goes in front of a judge (which you never see) fine approx 240.- plus court fees of the same hight. So, if you really have to over take, use the sidewalk as it is strangely a lot cheaper but much more dangerous. Crazy. (I do not recommend this!).

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Re: initiative to allow motorbikes to filter in traffic

My worst filtering experience: Me standing in the front row with a 600ccm machine. Vespa rider doing a No. 315 violation and crossing solid line comes to halt just next to me. On my left hand side. I indent to go straight ahead. He? You guessed right, to the right, in front of me, no blinkers! Luckily for him I knew what he will do. Oh, and that was neither in Ticino nor Italy, it was in Zurich.
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Re: initiative to allow motorbikes to filter in traffic

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My worst filtering experience: Me standing in the front row with a 600ccm machine. Vespa rider doing a No. 315 violation and crossing solid line comes to halt just next to me. On my left hand side. I indent to go straight ahead. He? You guessed right, to the right, in front of me, no blinkers! Luckily for him I knew what he will do. Oh, and that was neither in Ticino nor Italy, it was in Zurich.
In other words...you got burnt off by a scooter at the lights? Oh dear...thats surely the greater offence...
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