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I'm confused about the eignungserklärung

I'm a bit confused about the eignungserklärung or "Certificate of Appropriateness" that I keep seeing mentioned here in relation to non-stock auto parts. I keep seeing people suggesting that you get it from the manufacturer or importer of your part. I found one post that seems to indicate that the certificate has to contain your license plate number.

Suppose I am interested in improving the safety of my vehicle by upgrading the sway bars. If I buy sway bars that are specifically designed for my car from a non-swiss manufacturer, if I can get the manufacturer to give me a letter stating that these sway bars are indeed appropriate for my particular make and model of car and improve safety rather than degrading it will this get me past the MFK?

From all of the posts whining about it, I would expect that this is not the case. Maybe I need them to fill out a special form rather than writing me a generic letter? Maybe the letter just needs to include my license plate number or VIN?

Does anybody have one of these certificates that they can share so that I might see what it looks like?

Are the certificates re-usable? For example: Alice gets a certificate for some wheels for her 2012 VW Scirocco, Bob wants to put the same kind of wheels on his 2012 VW Scirocco. Can Bob just get a copy of Alice's certificate and pass the MFK?
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I'm a bit confused about the eignungserklärung or "Certificate of Appropriateness" that I keep seeing mentioned here in relation to non-stock auto parts. I keep seeing people suggesting that you get it from the manufacturer or importer of your part. I found one post that seems to indicate that the certificate has to contain your license plate number.

Suppose I am interested in improving the safety of my vehicle by upgrading the sway bars. If I buy sway bars that are specifically designed for my car from a non-swiss manufacturer, if I can get the manufacturer to give me a letter stating that these sway bars are indeed appropriate for my particular make and model of car and improve safety rather than degrading it will this get me past the MFK?

From all of the posts whining about it, I would expect that this is not the case. Maybe I need them to fill out a special form rather than writing me a generic letter? Maybe the letter just needs to include my license plate number or VIN?

Does anybody have one of these certificates that they can share so that I might see what it looks like?

Are the certificates re-usable? For example: Alice gets a certificate for some wheels for her 2012 VW Scirocco, Bob wants to put the same kind of wheels on his 2012 VW Scirocco. Can Bob just get a copy of Alice's certificate and pass the MFK?
It depends on the form and who completes it. I got one last week from the manufacturer of the alloy wheels I have for winter wheels. The left hand side of the certificate is completed to show the part and the range of cars for which it is suited. It's generic for that type of car, so it could be passed on with the wheels to another owner. I don't think you could just copy it.

However the right hand side of the certificate (which is blank in my case) has space for a chassis number if it's specific to a particular car. I think the certificate has to be stamped by someone with approvals to do that - so the manufacturer or a specialist inspector (although I have no idea who that might be). I assume this is for the case where you can't get a generic type approval and you have to get a specific waiver for that specific car.

By the way when I talked about this with the dealer with my winter wheels he raised his eyes to the heavens and says that nobody normally bothers with this. It's just that if you had a bad accident and the car was inspected, or if you have a periodic technical control with a particularly OCD inspector, your life could get complicated. Note that my wheel certificate is mentioned (including certificate number) on the car's registration document (fahrzeugausweis) and so forms part of the documentation of the car.
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It depends on the form and who completes it. I got one last week from the manufacturer of the alloy wheels I have for winter wheels. The left hand side of the certificate is completed to show the part and the range of cars for which it is suited. It's generic for that type of car, so it could be passed on with the wheels to another owner. I don't think you could just copy it.

However the right hand side of the certificate (which is blank in my case) has space for a chassis number if it's specific to a particular car. I think the certificate has to be stamped by someone with approvals to do that - so the manufacturer or a specialist inspector (although I have no idea who that might be). I assume this is for the case where you can't get a generic type approval and you have to get a specific waiver for that specific car.
So it sounds like it is a particular form that needs to be filled out. Is the manufacturer of your wheels Swiss? Would it be possible to get a blank form and have the manufacturer of a part fill it out and have it accepted as valid? Does the manufacturer need to request it themselves? Does this still apply even if the manufacturer is foreign? (not located in Switzerland)

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By the way when I talked about this with the dealer with my winter wheels he raised his eyes to the heavens and says that nobody normally bothers with this. It's just that if you had a bad accident and the car was inspected, or if you have a periodic technical control with a particularly OCD inspector, your life could get complicated. Note that my wheel certificate is mentioned (including certificate number) on the car's registration document (fahrzeugausweis) and so forms part of the documentation of the car.
The form is mentioned on your grey card. Does that mean that if I do get some aftermarket part with a valid form and install it, I would need to go back to the service de automobile and get a new grey card showing the form?
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So it sounds like it is a particular form that needs to be filled out. Is the manufacturer of your wheels Swiss? Would it be possible to get a blank form and have the manufacturer of a part fill it out and have it accepted as valid? Does the manufacturer need to request it themselves? Does this still apply even if the manufacturer is foreign? (not located in Switzerland)



The form is mentioned on your grey card. Does that mean that if I do get some aftermarket part with a valid form and install it, I would need to go back to the service de automobile and get a new grey card showing the form?
No, Italian manufacturer, but the form was supplied by the Swiss importer. I assume only the manufacturer or some other authorised person can do this - otherwise it would be pretty pointless having a certificate of conformity that anyone could fill in, really!

I had to get the form because when I imported the car the eagle-eyed inspector noticed that the wheels weren't standard and he even checked the ET, which was 1 mm different (so the track of the car is 2mm wider than standard). Having got the certificate, it was noted on the grey card.

Now, in the UK, I'm used to making modifications and fitting performance parts pretty much as I want to, with self-declaration to the insurance company if they change performance. To be honest it's the same over here (nobody bothers to declare aftermarket wheel mods), but it can come back and bite you if you have an accident and that is used by the insurance company to refuse to cover you, and of course it can be picked up at the next biennial technical inspection. I'm prepared to go along with their paper chasing just to keep them quiet - it isn;t so much of a hassle really.
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So it sounds like it is a particular form that needs to be filled out.
No, the manufacturer or importer has to supply a declaration that it meets Swiss specs.

Otherwise, you need to do a special MFK for modifications, and still need the manufacturers certificate, and they will decide if it meets Swiss specs. This I had to do when I put a sidecar on one of my bikes (sidecar manufactured in UK, certificate from manufacturer stating specs)

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Re: I'm confused about the eignungserklärung

The eignungserklärung is a VERY important piece of documentation to be always carried in the car as and when necessary!

If you get any part fitted to a vehicle it should have a certificate, then depending on the part have your car type details filled in and stamped by the seller, import distributer or garage who fitted it.

It is super important to have this well in order.

It is totally unlike the the UK or US here, all parts must have the required documentation or be tested by the relevant bodies and have a certificate made. This latter case is expensive to say the least and why it can cost upwards of 10 grand to get certification on say retro fitting a supercharger. The paperwork is also why you cannot buy and simply fit ebay wheels to your car.

There are HEFTY fines (i.e some are in the thousands as of now) and criminal citations to be gained by glassing over this. Cops at controls can and do wade though all the certificates and paperwork for all mods everything from spacers to spoilers to wheels to suspension to exhaust etc etc so any dealer that say "no one bothers with that" is an idiot and not one I would ever like to be giving business. The paperwork MUST BE fully accurate at all times or you are in for a universe of misery... you have been warned!

oh this is of course in addition to insurance claim problems in the event of an accident and not having a hope in hell's change of passing an MFK.
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Re: I'm confused about the eignungserklärung

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No, the manufacturer or importer has to supply a declaration that it meets Swiss specs.

Otherwise, you need to do a special MFK for modifications, and still need the manufacturers certificate, and they will decide if it meets Swiss specs. This I had to do when I put a sidecar on one of my bikes (sidecar manufactured in UK, certificate from manufacturer stating specs)
Where can I get the "Swiss specs"?

It sounds like if I can point the manufacturer of a specific item to these specifications and get a declaration from them that it meets them then I would be OK for the MFK, controls, and insurance. Can the declaration be a letter from the manufacturer or does it need to be a specific form or certificate filled out by them? If it has to be a certain Swiss form or certificate, how can I get one to them to fill in for me?
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Re: I'm confused about the eignungserklärung

Well yes and no.... only if the part has been tested to these specs by TUV for example. A small manufacturer saying on a letter that it will do it wont work; the parts have to all go through the approval and certification.

What are you trying to make anyhow?
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Well yes and no.... only if the part has been tested to these specs by TUV for example. A small manufacturer saying on a letter that it will do it wont work; the parts have to all go through the approval and certification.
Now that is a bit of good news! If I understand correctly, a letter from the maker stating it meets swiss specs and TUV approval would work? I was under the impression that TUV approval meant nothing in Switzerland.

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Nothing in particular right now. I'm just trying to understand all of the intricacies and bureaucracy involved in working on automobiles in Switzerland. I enjoy owning and working on classic cars, and would like to get into that here, if possible. First I need to figure out all of the rules involved in such a hobby.

I currently own an older (and properly MFK'd) slow but safe car here. Back home I would have immediately done a few suspension upgrades because I would get a large improvement in safety for a small sum of money. I haven't done this because I don't understand how all this works and would like to remain on the right side of the law.
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Re: I'm confused about the eignungserklärung

Hmmm kinda, being CH it is a little more complex

For some things TUV is sufficient but on others it needs to have been tested by the other bodies and fall into their specs. It all changes car to car. We deal with a particular modification and car enhancement company for our customers and it always astounds me how they have the time to stay on top of all the regs and paperwork for each car they pass through.

The garage always supplies the certificate, stamped and signed with any mod that goes on the car.

One of my personal vehicles is heavily modified and I have to carry 'round an amount of paperwork that is like lugging war and peace.

For example: when it comes to suspension for the coil-overs I have the certificate TUV Nord from Bilstein for the B16 PSS9 the likes of which can be seen here http://www.dvsegmbh.info/PDF/einbau/...M4-Y542A01.PDF

You will notice that the certification is very car dependant and is only valid for specific car types.

There is then a further paper stating when it was installed and the car's chassis number which is signed and stamped by the installer. Showing not only is the part conforming but it is fitted to the standards and used in the correct way. This example is the certification and install states:

NOTE for AUDI RS 4 Quattro: The active anti rollbar system ( DRC) must be immobilized professional by experts.

and

IMPORTANT! Spring plates must not be adjusted outside the ranges specified below!

and

Do not reuse original- bumper, since BILSTEIN- strut has built in bump stop.

etc, etc.... yada, yada.... more paperwork more paperwork and these are EXACTLY the things the cops check

HOWEVER.... for the uprated RS4 Rear ARB or Sway there is no certification to carry as it is an AUDI part that was offered as an extra. The tests were obviously done by AUDI on this and they will have very precise specs but even 'tho it is retro fitted it was available from the factory as such.

confusing much? lol
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I'm just trying to understand all of the intricacies and bureaucracy involved in working on automobiles in Switzerland. I enjoy owning and working on classic cars, and would like to get into that here, if possible. First I need to figure out all of the rules involved in such a hobby.

I currently own an older (and properly MFK'd) slow but safe car here. Back home I would have immediately done a few suspension upgrades because I would get a large improvement in safety for a small sum of money. I haven't done this because I don't understand how all this works and would like to remain on the right side of the law.
I'd be interested to know more about this too.

I guess if you are just doing maintenance, replacing like for like as long as the parts are legitimate and of traceable origin (e.g. OEM parts like springs and bushes), then it should be ok - you're not changing the characteristics of the car.

Similarly, personally, I would argue that upgrading shock absorbers (replacing OEM parts with a quality adjustable part like Koni or Bilstein), increasing spring rates and roll bars (sway bars) etc. - meaning anything that doesn't actually change geometry - shouldn't be regarded as problematic. However that's just my inexpert opinion based on logic - the variation in spring and damping rates between and a new and an old part can be far greater than the difference between a standard and an enhanced part. But you should definitely talk to somebody who does this professionally to find out what the lay of the land is. It wouldn't surprise me that you needed something like a TUV approval for the parts and that makes sense - there are a lot of cheap counterfeit parts on the market from China and India these days.

Anything that changes performance - engine mods, braking system mods etc. - would I imagine be something that would definitely need to approved specifically, because it could change emissions and safety margins.

I may give the OZ Racing importers who produced my wheel cert a call. They also do race preparation and suspension tuning. You might also want to look at the Caterham website. You CAN buy the Caterham in kit form in Switzerland too from http://www.kumschick.com/. I don't know if you just bolt it together and drive it to the MoT station as you would in the UK.

This is all close to my heart - I've been modifying cars since I started driving - that's just the British motorsport culture.
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Hmmm kinda, being CH it is a little more complex

For some things TUV is sufficient but on others it needs to have been tested by the other bodies and fall into their specs. It all changes car to car. We deal with a particular modification and car enhancement company for our customers and it always astounds me how they have the time to stay on top of all the regs and paperwork for each car they pass through.

The garage always supplies the certificate, stamped and signed with any mod that goes on the car.

One of my personal vehicles is heavily modified and I have to carry 'round an amount of paperwork that is like lugging war and peace.

For example: when it comes to suspension for the coil-overs I have the certificate TUV Nord from Bilstein for the B16 PSS9 the likes of which can be seen here http://www.dvsegmbh.info/PDF/einbau/...M4-Y542A01.PDF

You will notice that the certification is very car dependant and is only valid for specific car types.

There is then a further paper stating when it was installed and the car's chassis number which is signed and stamped by the installer. Showing not only is the part conforming but it is fitted to the standards and used in the correct way. This example is the certification and install states:

NOTE for AUDI RS 4 Quattro: The active anti rollbar system ( DRC) must be immobilized professional by experts.

and

IMPORTANT! Spring plates must not be adjusted outside the ranges specified below!

and

Do not reuse original- bumper, since BILSTEIN- strut has built in bump stop.

etc, etc.... yada, yada.... more paperwork more paperwork and these are EXACTLY the things the cops check

HOWEVER.... for the uprated RS4 Rear ARB or Sway there is no certification to carry as it is an AUDI part that was offered as an extra. The tests were obviously done by AUDI on this and they will have very precise specs but even 'tho it is retro fitted it was available from the factory as such.

confusing much? lol
It's starting to look like the aviation industry, obligation to maintain full document traceability for 20 years etc.
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It's starting to look like the aviation industry, obligation to maintain full document traceability for 20 years etc.
You know what I think you're right Stephen! The traceability is a long trail!

Problem is with full suspension replacement is the set up and geometry is changed as well as ride height thus certified. I even have to have 2 sets of specific documentation for wheel spacers, one front and one for the rear!!! But the example is quite extreme running a totally different stance.

Depending on what the engine mods are depends on if it is applicable for certification or not. Tuning is not *but the programs have had to be tested*, air filters are *forced induction is not a legal retrofit*, plasma plugs and alike are not, exhausts are and then big stuff is eg super or turbocharging an NA car but this is where the BIG test costs come.....
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For some things TUV is sufficient but on others it needs to have been tested by the other bodies and fall into their specs. It all changes car to car. We deal with a particular modification and car enhancement company for our customers and it always astounds me how they have the time to stay on top of all the regs and paperwork for each car they pass through.
One again, I'm glad to hear that the TUV cert is good for at least some items here. Surely there must be a (small) community of car enthusiasts in Switzerland that keeps up with all the regs and knows what you can get through with a TUV and what requires more. Hopefully with an internet message board?

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The garage always supplies the certificate, stamped and signed with any mod that goes on the car.
There's the rub, I would probably install most of my parts myself. It would only take about 30-45 minutes to swap out sway bars on most cars for example, so it seems pretty silly for me to have a garage do it. I suppose I would have to go to a garage and pay them to certify that they were installed correctly to get this certificate?

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You know what I think you're right Stephen! The traceability is a long trail!
I have no problem with keeping a receipt, certificate, or letter in the car stating who made what part. I just need to know what I need for each part.

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Problem is with full suspension replacement is the set up and geometry is changed as well as ride height thus certified. I even have to have 2 sets of specific documentation for wheel spacers, one front and one for the rear!!! But the example is quite extreme running a totally different stance.
I'm generally not looking to get crazy on the suspension mods, in the past I have just stiffened up the ride and improved traction with things like thicker sway bars, different wheels with wider lower profile tires, strut/shock tower or chassis braces, etc... It's usually cheap and easy to do and always nice to have good control when you need to dodge the odd road hazard.

I've installed overload springs in the past for other people who were hauling things, but I don't see myself doing any of that here.

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Depending on what the engine mods are depends on if it is applicable for certification or not. Tuning is not *but the programs have had to be tested*, air filters are *forced induction is not a legal retrofit*, plasma plugs and alike are not, exhausts are and then big stuff is eg super or turbocharging an NA car but this is where the BIG test costs come.....
Exhaust upgrades are a big one I'd like to be able to do here. I could see myself throwing some sort of stainless exhaust system on a car, not for performance, but for longevity. Grabbing one of the "performance" bolt together exhaust systems is usually an economical way of fixing that rusted out factory one. All of the older cars I've looked under here have had their exhaust systems replaced.
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I guess if you are just doing maintenance, replacing like for like as long as the parts are legitimate and of traceable origin (e.g. OEM parts like springs and bushes), then it should be ok - you're not changing the characteristics of the car.
From what I've been reading, any normal maintenance done with OEM parts would be fine. Realistically, how are they going to know anyway? It is only the aftermarket parts that cause you trouble as far as I can tell.

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Similarly, personally, I would argue that upgrading shock absorbers (replacing OEM parts with a quality adjustable part like Koni or Bilstein), increasing spring rates and roll bars (sway bars) etc. - meaning anything that doesn't actually change geometry - shouldn't be regarded as problematic. However that's just my inexpert opinion based on logic - the variation in spring and damping rates between and a new and an old part can be far greater than the difference between a standard and an enhanced part. But you should definitely talk to somebody who does this professionally to find out what the lay of the land is. It wouldn't surprise me that you needed something like a TUV approval for the parts and that makes sense - there are a lot of cheap counterfeit parts on the market from China and India these days.
I don't know that I would agree with that, those red sway bars and blue poly bushings are going to stick out like a sore thumb to the inspectors. From what I've been reading, you better have your paperwork for those.

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Anything that changes performance - engine mods, braking system mods etc. - would I imagine be something that would definitely need to approved specifically, because it could change emissions and safety margins.
Now this brings up an interesting question. I've never bought the OEM pads and rotors when doing the brakes. Not because I want better performance, but because they are usually three times the price of decent after market equivalents. Will I actually fail the MFK here if I don't have either OEM pads and rotors or paperwork for the after market replacements?

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I may give the OZ Racing importers who produced my wheel cert a call. They also do race preparation and suspension tuning. You might also want to look at the Caterham website. You CAN buy the Caterham in kit form in Switzerland too from http://www.kumschick.com/. I don't know if you just bolt it together and drive it to the MoT station as you would in the UK.

This is all close to my heart - I've been modifying cars since I started driving - that's just the British motorsport culture.
That's an interesting idea, now you have me curious what the rules about kit and custom/experimental cars are here. There was a club building experimental cars back in my university days, I wonder how they'd fare here with the MFK!
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for pads and rotors dont worry unless they are obviously " upgraded" and have grooves or are drilled etc. if it look original relax
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for pads and rotors dont worry unless they are obviously " upgraded" and have grooves or are drilled etc. if it look original relax
How about tail lights? One of my tail lights has a crack (the garage mechanic must have had a friend doing the MFK) and there are some that look the same on fee-bay, but they aren't OEM.
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most aftermarket light assys are poorly made and fail after a short amount of time unless they are comparable in cost (in my experience) .

there must be used OEM units available?
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Re: I'm confused about the eignungserklärung

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How about tail lights? One of my tail lights has a crack (the garage mechanic must have had a friend doing the MFK) and there are some that look the same on fee-bay, but they aren't OEM.
Rob's right and actually some don't fit properly you need to "persuade" them...

As far as certificates no not really but correct OEM lights have a specific E code, if a tester saw something odd and looked closely this would fail an MFK.. Guess it's a bit like having the old brit Kytemark or such..
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Re: I'm confused about the eignungserklärung

Far as i know you need some taillights that have this E code on them. If they do, MFK is not a problem. Also note that in some cases of tuning taillights you need additional reflectors installed on the rear bumper (stick-on), which you should get with the lights.
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