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Re: Why So Few Hybrid Cars?

Yes- however if you live in a country with large plains with Route 66 type roads, it does make more sense. Biofuels take huge amounts of land, fertilisers, water, etc, and are not that bio at all.

You'll find, I'm sure, that the average Swiss car uses AN AWFUL LOT LESS fuel than US ones though.
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Old 25.03.2012, 14:51
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You'll find, I'm sure, that the average Swiss car uses AN AWFUL LOT LESS fuel than US ones though.
I suspect your right but for 2 reasons:-
The distance driven is less on average per car, public transport is better in CH
Smaller cars in general however there is the largest no of Ferraries in CH per capita, but they don't get used very much!
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Re: Why So Few Hybrid Cars?

In Zug tax expat haven perhaps - don't see many of those around here, I can tell ya (expats or Ferraris)
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Re: Why So Few Hybrid Cars?

Maybe the Swiss aren't so easily fooled as the Americans. Do you know how much pollution is generated to make the electric batteries for hybrids/electric cars? More than you get from petrol based engines, but the manufactures keep very quiet about that.

Also a lot of petrol engines these days have better ratings for carbon emissions than hybrids anyway so why bother with the hassle.
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Maybe the Swiss aren't so easily fooled as the Americans.
The Swiss didn't get a several thousand dollar tax credit for buying a hybrid car.
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Even though the US is still very famous for huge gas guzzling SUVs, people are starting to buy more hybrids
Gas guzzling SUV's are exactly why you see more hybrids in the USA than here in CH. Example, my VW averages less than 5 L/100 where as an SUV (Chevy Tahoe) gulps down 16 L/100 (both non-hybrid). In order to continue selling such gas guzzlers Detroit has had to add hybrids to the engines in an attempt to make them (somewhat) more economical to drive. European small cars wouldn't benefit enough with the additional costs of a hybrid to make it worthwhile.

I used the Tahoe as an example since the 2008 Tahoe with a 6L V8 engine was (unbelievably) voted The Green Car of 2008 in the States because with a hybrid it "only" used 11 L/100 (still more than twice what many Eurocars consume without hybrids).

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Gas guzzling SUV's are exactly why you see more hybrids in the USA than here in CH. Example, my VW averages less than 5 L/100 where as an SUV (Chevy Tahoe) gulps down 16 L/100 (both non-hybrid). In order to continue selling such gas guzzlers Detroit has had to add hybrids to the engines in an attempt to make them (somewhat) more economical to drive. European small cars wouldn't benefit enough with the additional costs of a hybrid to make it worthwhile.

I used the Tahoe as an example since the 2008 Tahoe with a 6L V8 engine was (unbelievably) voted The Green Car of 2008 in the States because with a hybrid it "only" used 11 L/100 (still more than twice what many Eurocars consume without hybrids).

Yeah but give me a Tahoe over a Euro matchbox anyday.
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Yeah but give me a Tahoe over a Euro matchbox anyday.
Want to have a parking competition here in CH..?
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Want to have a parking competition here in CH..?
I know how to drive/park....
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Re: Why So Few Hybrid Cars?

The green alternative here is just don't own a car. Public transport, walk, or bike. Having a car is not necessarily a norm here, esp. if living in a city.

And for those activities/professions where delivery or driving is a necessity in CH, you see a lot of natural gas cars around here these days for say the electric company, and the city owned publci vehicles.

Unfortuantely some people cannot get around the idea of living without a car, and think a hybrid will save the planet. Ok, a hybrid might be better than a gas guzzler, but by walking or talking the train as an alternative does a lot more.
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Gas guzzling SUV's are exactly why you see more hybrids in the USA than here in CH. Example, my VW averages less than 5 L/100 where as an SUV (Chevy Tahoe) gulps down 16 L/100 (both non-hybrid). In order to continue selling such gas guzzlers Detroit has had to add hybrids to the engines in an attempt to make them (somewhat) more economical to drive. European small cars wouldn't benefit enough with the additional costs of a hybrid to make it worthwhile.

I used the Tahoe as an example since the 2008 Tahoe with a 6L V8 engine was (unbelievably) voted The Green Car of 2008 in the States because with a hybrid it "only" used 11 L/100 (still more than twice what many Eurocars consume without hybrids).


Another reason, at least here in Europe, is that a hybrid or electric car rating brings down the all the ratings for the other cars by that manufacturer. Not quite sure how it works, whether it's the litres per kilometre or the emissions ratings. Weird, I know, but that's why a lot of them are bringing out hybrids/electric cars.
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Re: Why So Few Hybrid Cars?

Actually I have the impression that are as many hybrids here as anywhere else. They particularly seem to have taken off in the last year or two. When I first got one, people were regularly coming over to have a look, whereas they now seem quite familiar with them.
In terms of incentives, I get a 50% reduction in car tax in the canton of Vaud and a 25% reduction in my car insurance. Being Switzerland, of course YMMV.
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Old 26.03.2012, 11:16
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Re: Why So Few Hybrid Cars?

The moment they drive purely with their electric engine all I can say is - I find the lack of sound disturbing. Sound is a huge contributer to traffic.
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Re: Why So Few Hybrid Cars?

Hybrids are not green.

To construct the cell (which lasts about 8 years, they say), the earth is pillaged (and of course the cell must be disposed of correctly).

To fuel the cell, non-renewable energy is used.

Range is pants. Fossil fuel is used rather a lot. Second-hand value is crap.

I did look at the Lexus little thing which does EV up to around 40kph. Nice car but expensive for what it is and the door handle came off in my hand on the test drive.
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Re: Why So Few Hybrid Cars?

Buying a Hybrid is trendy in the US now. That's all. Hybrids are NOT the solution to global warming and apparently Swiss people know that (well most do).

hybrids are not that "environmentally friendly" as they are advertised!!!
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the 2008 Tahoe with a 6L V8 engine was (unbelievably) voted The Green Car of 2008 in the States because with a hybrid it "only" used 11 L/100 (still more than twice what many Eurocars consume without hybrids).

These" hybrids" are bought for the hybrid label only. It is supposed to be a statement "I care about the environment". However, more and more, "hybrid" is becoming a label of "I want the world to believe I care for the environment while I actually don't give a damn and I will not give up the luxury". (see Merc. S hybrid, Panamera hybrid, etc.)

As someone else pointed out above, the REALLY green alternative is to walk/ ride a bike or take public transport.
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In Zug tax expat haven perhaps - don't see many of those around here, I can tell ya (expats or Ferraris)
Don't see many expats around here, but there are a LOT of Ferraris, Astons, etc.

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I used the Tahoe as an example since the 2008 Tahoe with a 6L V8 engine was (unbelievably) voted The Green Car of 2008 in the States because with a hybrid it "only" used 11 L/100 (still more than twice what many Eurocars consume without hybrids).
That was as green as could be! The same year, 2008, GMC ran TV commercials for one of their Yukon Denali housewife carriers, with the emphasis on fuel economy. It was 20 Ltrs./100 km, and that was a selling point. Granted, real-life tests said it was 23.5 Ltrs./100 km, but who cares. It's just for buying a dozen eggs at 11:30 p.m..

No folks, I did the conversion! It was not 20 mpg.
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Re: Why So Few Hybrid Cars?

Have a think about this...

The Prius' battery contains nickel, which is mined in Ontario Canada. The plant that smelts this nickel is apparently nicknamed "the Superstack" because of the amount of pollution it puts out; the area for miles around it is a wasteland because of acid rain and air pollution.
That smelted nickel then has to travel (via container ship) to Europe to be refined, then to China (by ship) to be made into "nickel foam," then to Japan (by ship) for assembly, and finally (by ship) to Switzerland. All this shipping for each tiny step in the production process costs a great deal, both in dollars and in pollution. On top of all that the batteries will eventualy wear out and thus will need to be disposed of which equals more pollution. I'm not sure how accurate this information is but it is food for thought.

In my opinion it is probably better to buy a diesel car and use public transport as much as possible. After all as previousely stated by other posters the transport system here is very extensive.

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http://helenathegreat.hubpages.com/hub/Prius

I am sure that there's a map somewhere too that covers this.
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