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Old 24.03.2012, 21:26
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Why So Few Hybrid Cars?

Before I moved here I owned a Honda Insight Hybrid back in the US. Even though the US is still very famous for huge gas guzzling SUVs, people are starting to buy more hybrids and when I visited in February, I saw a lot of Prius, civic hybrids and so on. My question is why are there so few of them here? I saw an Insight today, but I would say I rarely if ever see hybrid vehicles here. For a country that is comsidered a model for green energy and does so well in the control of pollution, recycling and energy consumption, why are there so few hybrid and electric cars?
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My question is why are there so few of them here?
Because people like cars

Seriously, a diesel does just as good in fuel economics and performs much better.

Also, I wonder how a hybrid performs in the mountains.
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Re: Why So Few Hybrid Cars?

They're expensive?
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Old 24.03.2012, 22:44
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They're expensive?
Unlike everything else in Switzerland .....
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Old 24.03.2012, 22:48
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Re: Why So Few Hybrid Cars?

We do not do hybrids here as we only have a Tesla store downtown Zurich, no nonsense hybid toys.
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Old 24.03.2012, 22:55
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Re: Why So Few Hybrid Cars?

One of my friend's bought one recently - but as she lives in the mountains, the engine switches back to petrol as soon as she hits any hill - so she is very disappointed with the result. As CH is very hilly - perhaps a reason + relatively cheap petrol? She did it not for the petrol savings, but for ecological reasons (she is not short of money). Toyota Auris.
The terrain is just not hybrid friendly- but it would be great on Route 66.

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Old 24.03.2012, 23:04
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+ relatively cheap petrol?
Not compared to the US, however people are well paid & don't really care as they can afford to buy petrol. Not sure what the payback time would be, my BMW 328 with 312,000 km is worth under 1000 chf, I cant see any savings by buying a new hybrid & driving 40,000km a year, the depreciation is more than my petrol costs would be.
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As CH is very hilly - perhaps a reason + relatively cheap petrol?
Exactly, especially compared to the USA.

Edit: fmf = a few seconds quicker...
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Old 24.03.2012, 23:39
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Re: Why So Few Hybrid Cars?

I think most people In Swissieland are in favour of "green" transportation, but the hybrid doesn't quite cut it - they've been waiting for electric cars to improve from Birgit's yellow peril to what may well be the future in personal mobility ...... and at last the wait may well be over ........

http://www.renault.ch/de/renault-mod...e/twizy/twizy/

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Old 24.03.2012, 23:46
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Re: Why So Few Hybrid Cars?

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Seriously, a diesel does just as good in fuel economics and performs much better.
Plus the choice of hybrid models is much smaller than those of diesel models.

And the average Swiss is probably less concerned about fuel consumption than you might think.
After all, the average power of the cars registered in Switzerland is the highest of any European country.
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Re: Why So Few Hybrid Cars?

One of my neighbors has just bought a hybrid. Cool car.

While walking through the Quartier garage I stopped to admire the car (as you do). Another neighbor ran up - our Quartier busy-body - flushed several shade of red, looking as if she was about to blow a gasket, petition in hand.

Apparently, she was upset that when charging the battery the hybrid drew power from the Quartier garage. The petition was to force the owner to get rid of his car - or failing that, to forbid him from plugging it in.

(I declined to sign. )

Lawdy me, yet another thrilling episode of that long-running soap, Der Nachbarkrieg.

I'm guessing contretemps like this are why hybrids are as uncommon here as stand-alone garages are.
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One of my neighbors has just bought a hybrid. Cool car.

While walking through the Quartier garage I stopped to admire the car (as you do). Another neighbor ran up - our Quartier busy-body - flushed several shade of red, looking as if she was about to blow a gasket, petition in hand.

Apparently, she was upset that when charging the battery the hybrid drew power from the Quartier garage. The petition was to force the owner to get rid of his car - or failing that, to forbid him from plugging it in.

(I declined to sign. )

Lawdy me, yet another thrilling episode of that long-running soap, Der Nachbarkrieg.

I'm guessing contretemps like this are why hybrids are as uncommon here as stand-alone garages are.
Your neighbours have a point since the electricity would be paid with all residents, It's like taking some fuel from each car in the garage.
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Old 25.03.2012, 10:44
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Your neighbours have a point since the electricity would be paid with all residents, It's like taking some fuel from each car in the garage.
If that is a concern, then the more sensible response would be to ask the car owner to install a metered outlet and have him pay his own garage electric bill.

Forcing him to get rid of his car is going to extremes - but typical of the behavior around here. Anything different, new, anything that others don't have, must be forbidden. Nachbarneid.

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Re: Why So Few Hybrid Cars?

Exactly - it would be fair to ask her/him to have his own private plug and meter installed - can't really ask neighbours to pay for the run of her/his car. Meloncollie I am, again, so sorry you have such neighbours- it is not fair, and I can assure you not representative of Switzerland in general. Our neighbours couldn't do more for us (and vice versa).
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Re: Why So Few Hybrid Cars?

I think it comes down to model choices, as there aren't as many hybrid vehicle offered on the market here in Europe.
One thing that baffles me, is that there are hard any flexfuel car around (ethanol). I believe most Chevys in the US have a flexfuel engine and ethanol is widely available there.
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Think geography and land availableto 'grow' biofuels.

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I saw a place to charge a car at a MC Donald's in Gossau!

We have a large shared garage underneath our apartment complex, and there are electrical outlets on nearly every support pole, but I guess those are for vacuum cleaners for the excessively neat, can't imagine they'd be intended for cars. I've not seen anyone use them. I wish our flat had as many outlets!

Meloncollie, you truly must have drawn the short straw with neighbors. I'm so sorry. That sucks.
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Re: Why So Few Hybrid Cars?

1. It's not cost effective
2. The Swiss don't believe it's really "green"
3. We've got an excellent public transportation for those who are environmentally conscious.
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Re: Why So Few Hybrid Cars?

I think the hilly terrain has nothing to do with it. They did a study and found that although the hybrid uses the combustion engine more on the uphill portions of the drive, when you go downhill the combustion engine turns off and it runs solely on electricity. So unless you drive uphill both ways, it balances out. It just seems odd that they seem to recycle everything here and are very environmentally conscious, but not in the automobile department. I bought my Insight hybrid not because it was dramatically cheaper (car was more, gas was less, so it nearly balanced itself out) but it used less resources, had much lower emissions and was just plain better for the environment.
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I think the hilly terrain has nothing to do with it. They did a study and found that although the hybrid uses the combustion engine more on the uphill portions of the drive, when you go downhill the combustion engine turns off and it runs solely on electricity. So unless you drive uphill both ways, it balances out. It just seems odd that they seem to recycle everything here and are very environmentally conscious, but not in the automobile department. I bought my Insight hybrid not because it was dramatically cheaper (car was more, gas was less, so it nearly balanced itself out) but it used less resources, had much lower emissions and was just plain better for the environment.
- The Swiss try to avoid buying big cars unless they have children or think having a SUV makes them immune to car accidents.

- Cars here are very efficient as compared to many cars in the States

- Our cars get inspected every 3 years to make sure they are running efficiently (which is why you rarely see poorly functioning cars here)

- The Swiss love Skoda Octavias and VW Golfs, which are both quite efficient.
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