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Old 02.04.2012, 14:12
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Re: In Switzerland - does size matter? [CARS]

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..... or one with rear sliding doors - ideal for kids in tight parking spaces - which is why passenger versions of vans are so practical - 'cept for my Renault Kangoo 4x4 has bigger wheels and higher ground clearance as standard models and just about clears 2.0m height restriction (without roof bars) - but does fit a 2-seater sofasbed in the back with rear seats down.
Yeah, I learnt my lesson there. Next car will have sliding doors! The front ones still have the same issues though...and the more Swiss chocolate I have, the issue will only get worse too.
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Re: In Switzerland - does size matter? [CARS]

I'm a massive petrol head and I personally cannot stand SUVs. They take up more than their fair share of road space, completely block your vision on highways, often encroach on other spaces in car parks and are invariably driven by people with a superiority complex .

Worst of all, most SUVs are not upto hardcore offroad driving, the BMW X6 for example was slated by Top Gear for not even being able to even make it up a damp grassy hill, something that any lighter Audi A4 or A6 Quattro would have been able to do with ease. And compared to an A6 or 5-series estate car, I don't even think they offer that much more comfort or space.. they're just chunkier and higher off the ground.
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Re: In Switzerland - does size matter? [CARS]

Depends where you live - SUVs in London or Geneva are a bit daft- but up here they make a lot more sense And looking down is so much fun .. lol.
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Depends where you live - SUVs in London or Geneva are a bit daft- but up here they make a lot more sense
This is acceptible, but not some Lexus SUV with heated, vibrating leather seats, 50 zone climate control, DVD headrests and a dozen cup holders

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Old 02.04.2012, 14:32
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I'm a massive petrol head and I personally cannot stand SUVs. They take up more than their fair share of road space, completely block your vision on highways, often encroach on other spaces in car parks and are invariably driven by people with a superiority complex .

Worst of all, most SUVs are not upto hardcore offroad driving, the BMW X6 for example was slated by Top Gear for not even being able to even make it up a damp grassy hill, something that any lighter Audi A4 or A6 Quattro would have been able to do with ease. And compared to an A6 or 5-series estate car, I don't even think they offer that much more comfort or space.. they're just chunkier and higher off the ground.
To be fair, an A4 or A6 wouldnt get up there either; it was the low range, diff lock and offroad tyres which made the Range Rover sail past. Your A4/A6 would be stuck on road-bias wide lo-pro's as well.

I'm with you on the rest of the X6 though - what a monstrosity. And there's an M version for even more pointlessness...
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Old 02.04.2012, 14:49
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Re: In Switzerland - does size matter? [CARS]

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Well there certainly are times/places where public transport is not a viable option, unless you include taxis and/or walking in that category.

But the reasons many people still prefer to drive include: it's just about always quicker to drive, gets you right to your destination at the time of your choice and for two people or more will nearly always be cheaper too.

Plus, of course, any journey that doesn't start and end within Swiss borders will be virtually impossible without a car.
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Dozens but to give you 3 off the top of my head:
PT from here to the ZH Flughafen 1 hour, drive 30 min.
PT to Tannbeboden 2hrs 27, drive 1 hour 15.
PT to work 1hr 45 drive 40

PT is not the answer to everyones prayers.

EDIT - driving and PT to Grumpys cheese stall... the same
Absolutely. I'm not disagreeing with this.

We use a car now more than public transport - but only because we normally fill it (five people) and it means we can go for a walk somewhere nice for a couple of hours (about the limit for a two year old) but not waste the whole day doing it.

But we still use public transport a hell of a lot.

Most places in Switzerland are easily accessible by public transport and it's integrated so buses meet boats meet trains which makes this possible.

I'm not sure that they could really make it better - it's that good so really, IMO, there's not much to criticise - especially compared with other countries.

And. for all those places on P-Goose's list - for us, public transport is quicker! (except perhaps for where you work but I don't know where that is )
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Re: In Switzerland - does size matter? [CARS]

You guys are amazing! What a wealth of information this forum is.

Switzerland has long held the reputation as having one of the most efficient public transport systems in the world -- nobody can dispute that. But I can imagine there are many places in Switzerland, particularly mountainous and more rural areas, where having a car (and a large 4WD at that!) might be necessary.


If I were moving straight to Zurich, just as if I were moving to London or NYC, I would not buy a car. But I'll be coming through Lugano, and it does look like I'll need one to get around the Ticino area.


I used to have the same paradoxically-elitist attitude toward SUVs like a few of the previous examples. (Lol @Grumpy: I cannot believe someone spit on your car!) I wanted a tiny, low-riding zippy little car and not an "emblem of American excess" SUV -- until I got one and discovered that my car was amazing. It also burned less gas than my beloved acceleration-friendly urbanite cars. Connotative vehicle size is purely a marketing force -- in the end, of course everybody knows the greenest option is a bicycle or feet!


So glad to hear of the many Swiss expats traveling and parking happily with SUVs! Was a bit worried there, but you have allayed my fears. Cheers.
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You guys are amazing! What a wealth of information this forum is.

Switzerland has long held the reputation as having one of the most efficient public transport systems in the world -- nobody can dispute that. But I can imagine there are many places in Switzerland, particularly mountainous and more rural areas, where having a car (and a large 4WD at that!) might be necessary.


If I were moving straight to Zurich, just as if I were moving to London or NYC, I would not buy a car. But I'll be coming through Lugano, and it does look like I'll need one to get around the Ticino area.


I used to have the same paradoxically-elitist attitude toward SUVs like a few of the previous examples. (Lol @Grumpy: I cannot believe someone spit on your car!) I wanted a tiny, low-riding zippy little car and not an "emblem of American excess" SUV -- until I got one and discovered that my car was amazing. It also burned less gas than my beloved acceleration-friendly urbanite cars. Connotative vehicle size is purely a marketing force -- in the end, of course everybody knows the greenest option is a bicycle or feet!


So glad to hear of the many Swiss expats traveling and parking happily with SUVs! Was a bit worried there, but you have allayed my fears. Cheers.
I think you'll find they're U.S. or U.K expats
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Re: In Switzerland - does size matter? [CARS]

I`m actually surprised to hear people have problems with SUV`s and big cars in general. We lived in Zollikon (Zurich) area for some time then we moved the silver coast (Richterswil) and almost every friend or family we know owns a big family car! My husband also works 50% in Nyon the French part and drives weekly there and has no problems.

We have two cars BMW cabrio and the X5 and we never had problems parking, or driving at all. We also drive almost every other weekend to Italy and had no problems either!

I work for an International school and live not too far from a few international schools and most parents drive big cars!

You will always meet the Zuricher (Swiss or Exapts) that is anti-driving , curses big cars, crosses the street without checking with snail speed even when it`s dark or it`s raining. Those people of course will advise you and highly recommend not owning a big car, or even not to own a car at all!

A few things to consider when buying a car big or small in CH are :
- You will probably rent a parking spot, it depend where you live it can vary between CHF120-250 a month
- Annual car registration fee
- Car service
- The extreme high prices of Gas!
- Parking in most down town areas in CH cities is almost 5bucks for each 2 hours!! and of course most of the times you will have to park in a parking house which will even cost you more!

So if your welling to invest that money and you need a car , and when you go skiing or hiking you don`t want to take two different trains and then a bus and watch out for the times they leave..etc
If your looking for easy life just jump in the car and drive to the mountains and countryside then yes a car is the most convenient thing to have!

If environment is your priority and global warming is one of your concerns and you realize how really expensive it is to own a big car in Switzerland then you might want to look for a smaller car or even just stick to public transportation.

Personally, I like public transportation when I`m hiking or skiing with friends without my family, also I commute to work every day by train! But having a baby and an Italian partner, catching trains on exact certain times, and having a baby ready on time is really challenging! We always end up taking the car when doing family trips or driving to Italy!
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I work for an International school and live not too far from a few international schools and most parents drive big cars!
Yup, I think I already said that.

And you know what they say: Big car, big text font.
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