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125cc scooter driving in Zurich Urgent need of help!

Hello guys, I have a European B driving licence for car and want to buy a 125cc scooter (http://www.roadrunners-shop.de/Rolle...cm/125-TC.html). Can I just drive it with my licence or do I need to take a course? I am reading that there is an 8 hour course I need to take but I am not sure where to go and how to do it. Any tips please? Also can I buy the scooter and have it delivered and then start driving after I take the course?
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... must exchange their foreign driving license for a Swiss driving license :

Members of personnel with permanent residence in Switzerland (PM) (holders of an authorisation for residence or establishment – B or C permit),

Private servants (PM/IO) (holders of a "F" legitimation card),

Persons without privileges or immunities (PM/IO) and non-civil servants staff (IO) (holders of a "H" legitimation card).

Before a Swiss license will be issued in exchange for their license, these persons must pass a test, unless they are citizens of a country with which Switzerland has concluded an agreement on this matter (member states of the European Union, the United States, Japan, etc.). These persons should contact the cantonal authority in their place of domicile (see details below) with regard to the procedure.
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Within one year can be exchanged (since the entry into Switzerland), the foreign driving license into a Swiss driving license.
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Re: 125cc scooter driving in Zurich Urgent need of help!

Hi,

I'm afraid I'm travelling today and can't do any checks - but I'm 99% sure that a B licence is not valid for a motorbike in Switzerland. The only place I know that facility still exists is in Italy where you can drive a bike of up to 125cc and max 10 KW with a B licence.

If you don't already have a motorcycle licence you'll have to apply and go through tests. I remember we got an information pack on arriving that specifically pointed out that a car (B) licence wasn't valid for motorbikes (or scooters) in CH.

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Re: 125cc scooter driving in Zurich Urgent need of help!

In the olden days a group B car license was linked to a motorbike type A1 45 Km/hr moped license.

But these days you need to do a course, at least 8 hours. You need to contact your local driving school, the schools work closely with the government testing centers, and they will put you in the right direction. If you are under 25 years old there are further restrictions.
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ok so i need to change my B driving license to a swiss license, but after i get my swiss license i can drive a 125cc ? or i need to do some extra training , courses, licenses ?

thank you - Sbrinz

yes i'm 26 so that shouldn't be a problem, do you know if this course is possible in english ?

can you recommend a driving school in zurich area?

thanks again for your help!

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Re: 125cc scooter driving in Zurich Urgent need of help!

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Hello guys, I have a European B driving licence for car and want to buy a 125cc scooter (http://www.roadrunners-shop.de/Rolle...cm/125-TC.html). Can I just drive it with my licence or do I need to take a course? I am reading that there is an 8 hour course I need to take but I am not sure where to go and how to do it. Any tips please? Also can I buy the scooter and have it delivered and then start driving after I take the course?
Lookup a driving school and ask them as they might even run the class.
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thank you for your reply

ok so i need to change my B driving license to a swiss license, but after i get my swiss license i can drive a 125cc ? or i need to do some extra training , courses, licenses ?

thank you - Sbrinz

yes i'm 26 so that shouldn't be a problem, do you know if this course is possible in english ?

can you recommend a driving school in zurich area?

thanks again for your help!

You need to change your license anyway within a year of taking up residence. You also need to do a test to get the motorcycle license. Probably best to change your license immediately then do the test. The changeof license is very simple unless you want to keep the C category you get automatically in the UK (here it's a professional license class so you need to get a medical and police report as well as the eye sight test you need for the ordinary license).

As suggested best to talk to a driving school. They can tell you whether or not they can do the course in English. Tests aren't done in English any more - another information nugget from shortly after we arrived so not 100% sure after 5 years
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Re: 125cc scooter driving in Zurich Urgent need of help!

You need to:
1st: exchange your category-B driving licence to a swiss one
2nd: demand a Lernfahrausweise for the category A1

The best procedure is to find and download from the Strassenverkehrsamt of your canton the form for both things (it's probably the same form, but I'm not sure if you can make both requests with only one): fill it and go to an optometrist or a decent eyeglass-shop for an eye test: they should stamp that same form. Arm yourself with your passport, original driving licence, a couple of photos, swiss residence permit and go to your Strassenverkehrsamt and give them the filled form.

Some days later you should receive by mail your category-B swiss licence and an extra permit for the A1: scooters/motorcycles up to 125cc and up to 11kW/15PS power (I think there's also a power/weight restriction but nothing on the market exceeds it).
That's it! Now you can ride for the validity of this learner's permits, which should be 4 months, as long as:
- the scooter/motorcycle must display the standard blue-L plate next to its licence plate
- if you carry a passenger, he/she must already have a motorcycle permit

While your learner permit is valid inscribe yourself in a motorcycle school/instructor to complete the 8 hours (usually 2x 4 hours) required course for the A1. This is actually the first 8 hours of the 12 hours full-motorcycle course, you'll probably share the course with some motorcycles. The instructor expects you to already know how to minimally ride in traffic.
Some notes:
- motorcycle schools rarely have their own motorcycles, so you must rent or buy one to make the course
- if you don't feel comfortable or know how to ride you'll probably have to take an initial private lesson: meet with the instructor at some motorcycle garage where you have one rented: he will take you to a parking place and give you the basics

After finishing the course the instructor stamps your learner permit (I think now he does that through the Internet, directly to the Strassenverkehrsamt). I think you have to download and fill again the same form for the category-A1, but this time ask for the licence, not the learner permit (I'm not sure if this is correct...); anyway since you don't need a second eye test you can just go to the Strassenverkehrsamt and ask them. Later they mail you a new driving licence with both B- and A1- categories.

You do not need to make any driving exam for the A1! I think the instructor can deny approving you, but I guess you must really be a disaster for that...

Now you just need to choose what to buy! The Yamaha X-max is quite popular, you'll probably find several second-hand, cheaper, pre-2012 models. Personally I like the Kymco Downtown. For smaller scooters I'd probably go for the Aprilia SportCity. As for motorcycles right now there's really only one choice: the KTM Duke 125.

Have fun!

Edited: oops, didn't notice you already made your scooter choice!
Also some approximate costs:
- licence exchange + learner permit + eyetest: ~50-100CHF
- 1 hour private lesson: ~100CHF
- A1 8 hours course: ~300CHF
- 125cc scooter 1-day rental: ~60CHF

Last edited by Pegaso; 03.04.2012 at 10:25. Reason: Added approximate costs; replaced 15kW with 11kW/15PS
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Re: 125cc scooter driving in Zurich Urgent need of help!

Thank you Pegaso! Very usefull knowledge Heheh I am now an expert with all this info!
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Re: 125cc scooter driving in Zurich Urgent need of help!

Pegaso is right, there is no test for the A1 licence if you have a (Swiss) car licence, so get yours changed ASAP.

Also, if you are looking for a 125cc scooter (massive plug...) I have one for sale here:

http://www.englishforum.ch/sale-want...25-zurich.html

Cheers,
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After finishing the course the instructor stamps your learner permit (I think now he does that through the Internet, directly to the Strassenverkehrsamt). I think you have to download and fill again the same form for the category-A1, but this time ask for the licence, not the learner permit (I'm not sure if this is correct...); anyway since you don't need a second eye test you can just go to the Strassenverkehrsamt and ask them. Later they mail you a new driving licence with both B- and A1- categories.
Thanks for the info, I never realised that for A1 you didn't need a test if you have a B.

My wife had an A learner permit, but was concerned about not being ready for the test (lot of stuff going on), so I mention that she could just go and ask for an A1 (she already has taken the full course, and has a B).

So Wednesday she went to Camorino, and today the new license with the A1 added arrived!

Thanks,

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