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Old 03.04.2012, 18:42
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Re: Warning: citroen garage just off morgartenring, basel .

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Given this is a bike I guess almost any nozzle will fit into the filling stud on the tank....yeah?
Actually, I don't know. But with cars it's not the case.

Well, do we really ONLY have to talk about bikes in this thread? Have we gotten so strict with the "off topic" policy/e? And as you see I was replying to comments about cars.
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Old 03.04.2012, 18:47
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Re: Warning: citroen garage just off morgartenring, basel .

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I think there's an element of disbelief in some of the replies, possibly fuelled by a slight ambiguity in the OP.

I do wonder how many cars and bikes would have been affected before they noticed. I can see a huge compensation claim in the offing.
I think the disbelief comes from the fact the the OP did not inform authorities and pump owner of the situation immediately. (He may have, but is not clear from his posts)
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I have contacted them today about it. You will have to excuse me for not phoning or going to the garage concerned immediately , I was trying not to get run over whilst at the side of the motorway and had more pressing things on my mind.

My fuel tank caps are about 5cm wide so anything will fit in there.
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Old 03.04.2012, 20:41
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Re: Warning: citroen garage just off morgartenring, basel .

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the nozzles are different sizes so you cant put diesel into a petrol car, you can the other way though and then the engine explodes.
That is what I thought, but I never wanted to try it to confirm


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Is rob1 using some kind of weird language only he and I can understand?

He has a motorbike. It takes petrol. He went to a garage and put in the nosle from a petrol pump. The garage had filled its petrol pump with diesel by mistake. Diesel therefore went into rob1's motorbike. Instead of petrol.
Don't worry, we got it. Just chit chattin' away about the general situation until we hear more from the OP what the garage said when confronted with info. As in, did others already come in for damage or is he in on this fight on his own...
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Old 03.04.2012, 20:58
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Re: Warning: citroen garage just off morgartenring, basel .

garage has given me the insurance details for a claim - im not the only one that has come back to them
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Old 03.04.2012, 21:43
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Re: Warning: citroen garage just off morgartenring, basel .

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Actually, I don't know. But with cars it's not the case.

Well, do we really ONLY have to talk about bikes in this thread? Have we gotten so strict with the "off topic" policy/e? And as you see I was replying to comments about cars.
I was not trying to smart-a$$ anyone.

I just noted that OP mentioned the different sizes of nozzles but since he was refueling a bike, any type of nozzle would fit into his tank....
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Old 03.04.2012, 21:58
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Re: Warning: citroen garage just off morgartenring, basel .

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I was not trying to smart-a$$ anyone.

I just noted that OP mentioned the different sizes of nozzles but since he was refueling a bike, any type of nozzle would fit into his tank....
You should probably just cut out the part you are replying too. Sometimes it's not clear, especially I was talking about actually having done this myself to my car.

Your car might get fixed so that it runs, but it will never ever be the same again.

Having said that, I heard that putting diesel in a petrol engine was actually fatal to the engine. Is that not true? How come the bike was so easily fixed?
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Old 03.04.2012, 22:21
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Re: Warning: citroen garage just off morgartenring, basel .

It's alright, we believe him now. But this is the EF so we have to treat Rob1 with a bit of scepticism for the first bit of the thread.

Wishing him luck at the garage when he pays them a visit.

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Is rob1 using some kind of weird language only he and I can understand?

He has a motorbike. It takes petrol. He went to a garage and put in the nosle from a petrol pump. The garage had filled its petrol pump with diesel by mistake. Diesel therefore went into rob1's motorbike. Instead of petrol.
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Re: Warning: citroen garage just off morgartenring, basel .

Hello,

Does anyone on this forum understand how internal combustion engines (Otto or Diesel cycles) work? Putting diesel into a petrol engine will certainly cause the engine to stop (empirically demonstrated here) due to the fundamental difference in fuel/engine. There will be no damage and your engine will "run the same as before" once the diesel is drained, cleaned with a small amount of petrol, change the filter and off you go! On a bike, with a screwdriver and/or pair of pliers, this should take an hour or so. Even on a modern car it's not rocket science. The OP's bike will be fine.

Cheers, John.

p.s. Petrol into diesel is a completely different story!
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Old 03.04.2012, 23:39
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Re: Warning: citroen garage just off morgartenring, basel .

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Hello,

Does anyone on this forum understand how internal combustion engines (Otto or Diesel cycles) work? Putting diesel into a petrol engine will certainly cause the engine to stop (empirically demonstrated here) due to the fundamental difference in fuel/engine. There will be no damage and your engine will "run the same as before" once the diesel is drained, cleaned with a small amount of petrol, change the filter and off you go! On a bike, with a screwdriver and/or pair of pliers, this should take an hour or so. Even on a modern car it's not rocket science. The OP's bike will be fine.

Cheers, John.

p.s. Petrol into diesel is a completely different story!
Well, then tell us what happens with petrol into a diesel then. Cuz that's what I did and everyone told me at the time had it been the reverse (ie, diesel into a petrol) the car would have been dead. So now I'm very confused.
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Old 03.04.2012, 23:44
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Re: Warning: citroen garage just off morgartenring, basel .

Can't see how diesel in a petrol would be a problem, other than having to wash out the system, certainly can't do damage.

Petrol in a diesel will wreck havoc, due to the lower octane of petrol.

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Old 03.04.2012, 23:52
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Can't see how diesel in a petrol would be a problem, other than having to wash out the system, certainly can't do damage.

Petrol in a diesel will wreck havoc, due to the lower octane of petrol.

Tom
Hmmm, that is strange. Maybe they were shielding me from the truth (LOL) becuase they just cleaned out the engine, changed the filters and "Robert is your father's brother".....
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Old 03.04.2012, 23:54
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Hmmm, that is strange. Maybe they were shielding me from the truth (LOL) becuase they just cleaned out the engine, changed the filters and "Robert is your father's brother".....
So, should have said "could", not "will", depends how far you go.

So, Bob's your uncle?

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Old 03.04.2012, 23:58
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So, should have said "could", not "will", depends how far you go.
Ahhhh. I guess I was lucky. But that's what has been causing the confusion that little detail: could vs will.

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So, Bob's your uncle?

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He's everyone's uncle, isn't he?
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Re: Warning: citroen garage just off morgartenring, basel .

You cannot put petrol in a diesel car.

However you can get away with it if you have a Landrover & Discovery TD5 as we have found out-when by mistake we put unleaded in instead of diesel.
Obviously not a full tank but if you put a few litres in by mistake and then put diesel in it will be fine.
Landrover informed me this was because the MOD wanted them built to a specification that if the vehicles were in an out of the way place they were able to run on locally available fuels so the cars would be able to be driven in possible dangerous situations.

It is only that model.
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Old 04.04.2012, 07:12
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Hello,

Does anyone on this forum understand how internal combustion engines (Otto or Diesel cycles) work?
Nope, not much of a clue actually. No need to sound condescending about it, I pay people for that sort of thing.
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Old 04.04.2012, 11:50
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Re: Warning:Renault garage just off Morgartenring, Basel

diesel into a petrol engine doesnt cause damage - if its a full tank the engine wont run or stops shortly after.

if its a 50/50 mix then you will have a lot of smoke and odd noises - drain, refill with petrol and you are done.

full tank petrol into a diesel is a different story - the HP fuel pump will prob sieze but not before the engine is wrecked * if you have an old old diesel with low(er) compression you "may" get away with it. filters etc will need to be changed as they normally deform.

some litres of petrol into a diesel tank not an issue but depending on the ratio the pump maybe damaged with higher amounts upto 20% you should be ok but top off with diesel all the time to dilute the mix.

* seen the results
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diesel into a petrol engine doesnt cause damage - if its a full tank the engine wont run or stops shortly after.

if its a 50/50 mix then you will have a lot of smoke and odd noises - drain, refill with petrol and you are done.
2-stroke is max 1:20, so I assume that 1:1 wont run, and if it does it will kill your cat. Not so much a problem with a bike as nobody checks if the cat works at all.

PS: Due the process how they fill up the tanks at the gas station there will always be a little bit of diesel in the petrol and vice versa.
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2-stroke is max 1:20
1:16 actually.

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