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Old 09.04.2012, 15:14
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Should I buy a scooter?

Hey all, I'm looking for some advice about whether or not a scooter would be a good idea for me!

First of all, my idea to get a scooter is because I think I'd appreciate the freedom of travelling when I want and not having to plan my life around a once every hour train, or more..

The main purpose would be to get to work. I work at a lot of different places, and a car is not really practical for parking, but the distance might be an issue, plus I can't really afford the upkeep of a car right now.

I would be travelling approx 40km sometimes, how is a journey on a scooter for that distance? It's also a mix of mountain road and motorways, are scooters even allowed on motorways?

I have a Swiss driving license for cars, would I need a special something else to drive a scooter?

Next, if you think a scooter is a good idea...
What are the upkeep costs like?
What kind of scooter should I buy? Should I buy new, or second hand?
Do they use a lot of fuel?
What about insurance?

As you can see I'm a real newbie... I've never owned my own car, so I have no idea with this kind of thing, but I'm really happy to become a little more independant

Thanks for your time
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Old 09.04.2012, 15:21
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Re: Should I buy a scooter?

Hi and congrats on your decision. First of all having a scooter is great and it does give you freedom, the question is have you ever driven one?
If you have a B license then you can get a temporary permit to ride your scooter (up to 125 cc) then have about 6 or 8 hours of lessons (motorgrundkurs) and then you have a full A1 license. If you want something bigger you will have to take a maneuverprufug exam and a practical exam just as you would with a car.
I used to drive my scooter 12 km a day as a minimum to and from work and it took me 1 hour less than it would on public transport (ok only 30 minutes less on a bad day).
Just remember that driving a motorcycle is always dangerous, because you are not protected and because car drivers tend to not see you :S at least that is what my instructor used to tell me. I do miss riding my scooter as during spring and summer it is such a great feeling of freedom and the wind around you , I think although others can correct me that for a 40 km ride on a daily basis specially if you need to use the highway, you will need a bigger motorbike than 125cc and so a full A license.

Good luck!

Oh Almost forgot, my weekly expenses on diesel was about 12 CHF and I rode the bike on a daily basis. Also, it is important to invest on a good helmet and bike gear!!! The insurance will be around 250 CHF a year for half a casco (meaning only covering the other party)
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Old 09.04.2012, 15:33
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Hi and congrats on your decision. First of all having a scooter is great and it does give you freedom, the question is have you ever driven one?
Hi Angela, thanks for such a quick reply - I've ridden one in Thailand, I'm guessing they're similar... I'm really not a bikey person, I'm learning here so please forgive if I sound super na´ve!

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If you have a B license then you can get a temporary permit to ride your scooter (up to 125 cc) then have about 6 or 8 hours of lessons (motorgrundkurs) and then you have a full A1 license. If you want something bigger you will have to take a maneuverprufug exam and a practical exam just as you would with a car.
Okay thank you... I don't think I want anything bigger for now, I want inexpensive + freedom, but not neccessarily top speed... Anything that goes near to 80 would be fine for me, aslong as I could still bob along, alongside people on the motorway, if not, my journey would be almost doubled doing the mountain route....

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I used to drive my scooter 12 km a day as a minimum to and from work and it took me 1 hour less than it would on public transport (ok only 30 minutes less on a bad day).
Just remember that driving a motorcycle is always dangerous, because you are not protected and because car drivers tend to not see you :S at least that is what my instructor used to tell me. I do miss riding my scooter as during spring and summer it is such a great feeling of freedom and the wind around you , I think although others can correct me that for a 40 km ride on a daily basis specially if you need to use the highway, you will need a bigger motorbike than 125cc and so a full A license.
I'd only do the 40km (each way) ride there and back 2 times a week, the other days probably about a 12km (each way) ride...

With that info, could anyone recommend anything?


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Good luck! Oh Almost forgot, my weekly expenses on diesel was about 12 CHF and I rode the bike on a daily basis. Also, it is important to invest on a good helmet and bike gear!!! The insurance will be around 250 CHF a year for half a casco (meaning only covering the other party)
Thank you, sounds quite reasonable to me actually.... how much do you think is a good amount to spend on one, and would you recommend new or second hand?

Thank you!
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Re: Should I buy a scooter?

I cant recommend one really because I would be biased as I am selling mine because I want to downgrade from a 150cc to a 125 cc.
The reason you have to consider is, if you are going to ride in the highway you need a big one otherwise a smaller one (up to 125 cc) is a good option. Also think about how much you want to spend on a bike, get a budget and how much time you will be able to invest in the instructions
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Old 09.04.2012, 19:42
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Oh Almost forgot, my weekly expenses on diesel was about 12 CHF and I rode the bike on a daily basis.
A diesel scooter???
What do you have?
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A diesel scooter???
What do you have?
Oops sorry that was a typo
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Old 09.04.2012, 19:59
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Re: Should I buy a scooter?

I do not know the limit, but a small scooter is not allowed on the autobahn.

I own a small 50cc scooter and it is really good, until it rains!

As Angela says, it would be best for you to get a 125 cc scooter, the Piaggio X9 125 is very good,

http://auto.ricardo.ch/search/search...&ListingType=0

http://www.google.ch/search?tbm=isch...0j5l8l0.frgbld.
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Re: Should I buy a scooter?

Yes Sbrinz in order to get to the autobahn your motorbike has to be able to at 120 km/hour I know that for that you need a full license and a bigger bike. But I could be wrong
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Re: Should I buy a scooter?

for city driving a scooter or motorbike is a must, nipping in and out of the traffic, and also great fun!
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Yes Sbrinz in order to get to the autobahn your motorbike has to be able to at 120 km/hour I know that for that you need a full license and a bigger bike. But I could be wrong
I have a XV250 which does not require a full license (A restricted) that is perfectly legal for the highway.

My other bikes can all do 120+ in second gear (but require a full license)

I also have a Piaggio 125 Beverly (A1) that I bought for my daughter (and she keeps crashing) that I have no reason to believe that I cannot ride on the highway in CH (Italy is a different matter).

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I have a XV250 which does not require a full license (A restricted) that is perfectly legal for the highway.

My other bikes can all do 120+ in second gear (but require a full license)

Tom
Yes Tom mine is also A restricted but you still need to do the practical exam and is above the 125 cc (mine is 150 cc).
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Old 09.04.2012, 22:45
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Re: Should I buy a scooter?

Thank you very much for all of your replies.
Now, I have to consider if I want to go through the whole permit and paperwork of getting motorbike licenses... if I want to go straight into it and get a bike that can go on motorways or a little one who can't...

Questions questions... I think to be honest, I'd be better off catching the train then avoiding motorways, those mountain roads would probably add at least 50% on to my commute, especially with something with not too much power going up... going down might be fun though, lots of thinking to do.

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Re: Should I buy a scooter?

As a former scooter owner, my comments are:

50cc: Rubbish. Avoid. Not that more economical than a 125, but way slower so you feel very 'exposed' in traffic even in town, and forget the motorway.

125cc: not really suitable for motorways, as they tend to top out at 50-60mph (80-100kph). You can go faster, but you'll need to ignore any mechanical sympathy to get there.

200-300cc: I recon this is the sweet spot for a scooter. They're still scooter sized, still economical (though not as good as the 125cc obviously), but can hold their own on motorways, as long as you don't expect to stray further than the occasional visit to the middle lane. Vespa do a 21PS 300cc which looks great.

Maxi-scooters (the huge things ranging from 400-600cc): It's my personal opinion of course, but these things are just not practical. Yes, you can get loads of stuff in them, and they can do motorways in their sleep, but they compromise everything that makes a scooter good in the first place - economy, agility, the park-or-go-anywhere size and price. Theyre heavy too, and the engine is de-tuned, so if youre expecting 600cc bike performance from a 600cc maxi, forget it.
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Re: Should I buy a scooter?

Hi there!

I sell my scooter! It's a nice 125cc Aprilia Mojito and from what I read below, it's perfect for you! Nothing complicated, but decent enough to bring you everywhere..

I never drove a scooter before having this one and I must say, it's really easy! No gears etc and it goes up till 105 km an hour..
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Re: Should I buy a scooter?

I am surprise nobody is talking about snow.
Are you using your scooter in winter?
Do you need winter tires?
is it safe? (no need to answer that one)
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