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Old 14.04.2012, 10:27
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A good driving experience thread

There are several places on this forum where you can read about rude or inconsiderate driving in Switzerland, which from my detailed analysis of pulling statistics out of my head can be grouped accordingly: 99% driving on the Autobahn, 1% not indicating when turning at round abouts (inserted by me right now).

However, in an absolute contrast to this is my experience of driving in towns, in which I have seen some of the most courteous driving anywhere. For example, I live at one end of a town with one major road driving straight through it and past my apartment. There are often times that I will want to turn left out of the drive but the traffic can be quite heavy. More often than not someone coming from my left will slow down and let me cross over to the other lane if they see that the oncoming traffic has a gap I can fill. I duly reward this behaviour with a smile and a wave, and if I see another time when I could do the same favour for someone else then I will do so.

I have certainly not seen this type of kindness in New Zealand, where courteous driving means not leaving your house.
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Old 14.04.2012, 11:11
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Re: A good driving experience thread

This will be a very short thread, methinks ...
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Old 14.04.2012, 11:20
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This will be a very short thread, methinks ...
You're probably right. Saying nice things here tends to hold no one's interest. But that is true for almost all aspects of life. We focus on negatives.

I just wanted to say I had noticed.
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Old 14.04.2012, 11:43
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Re: A good driving experience thread

I agree that sometimes is focusing on negative aspects...sometimes is the comparison. Coming from Bucharest, this is heaven i also thought that driving in Bucharest is bad...and then I drove through Albania...changed my mind (no offence to Albanians, I like Albania ) So here...the bad situations were mostly with foreigners...how do I know? The music you hear from the car, they roll the window down and "bless you"
Bottom line....I have noticed, too
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I have certainly not seen this type of kindness in New Zealand, where courteous driving means not leaving your house.
NZ is not that bad really. Driving through Sydney is a nightmare, the whole place comes across as a rat race and the term "road rage" is actually a mild way of labeling some of the behaviour.
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Exactly my same experience, when about to yield they wait for you and that is great and kind.
Another odd thing I have found though is that people going around the round about signal left...which for me is a major WTF?
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Re: A good driving experience thread

I have noticed the left signal too but in other countries as well...like...why do you signal left? If you do not leave the round...where are you going? but I had people telling me that it is the law!


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Exactly my same experience, when about to yield they wait for you and that is great and kind.
Another odd thing I have found though is that people going around the round about signal left...which for me is a major WTF?
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but I had people telling me that it is the law!
Maybe somewhere else, but certainly not in Switzerland:

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No need to signal when entering the roundabout or driving within the roundabout (except when changing lanes within a multi-lane roundabout), but you must signal before leaving the roundabout. (It's not specifically mentioned in the text of law, but it's obvious that you have to signal right before leaving...)
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If I am taking the third exit, eg coming back upon myself, I always signal left, to make sure other cars coming from 1st and 2nd exit know I am not exiting, then signal right as soon as passed 2nd exit. Much clearer for all - and it really annoys me when people do not signal (if taking third exit)- as I am used to driving in the UK, where it is required. But as you say Angela-74, it is not a legal requirement in CH - but it is NOT illegal to indicate, and is very helpful, I think. Which is why instructors will tell you that it is not the Law, but good practice.

When I first went to live in London, I had only just passed by test in Switzerland, so it was fun- and roundabout didn't exist in CH then. I had to take the UK test after 6 months, as per the law at the time. Arriving at a round-about the instructor said 'take the third exit right'. Hmmm, as I got past the second I quietly said 'sorry but there is no exit on the right' and his curt reply came 'my instruction were valid from where we were at the time Miss G!'. Just had time to indicate and turn left, but thought I'd blown it! I passed, although he made me promise to be careful (I took the test in a TR5), lol - my 3rd driving test in one year (motorcycle in CH too).

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I have noticed the left signal too but in other countries as well...like...why do you signal left? If you do not leave the round...where are you going? but I had people telling me that it is the law!
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Maybe somewhere else, but certainly not in Switzerland:

Art. 41b Abs. 2 VRV
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No need to signal when entering the roundabout or driving within the roundabout (except when changing lanes within a multi-lane roundabout), but you must signal before leaving the roundabout. (It's not specifically mentioned in the text of law, but it's obvious that you have to signal right before leaving...)
Exactly! There is no law in CH that says you have to signal left!!!
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Re: A good driving experience thread

If possible, many drivers will switch to the fast lane on the highway when one tries to enter it. Kinda neat.
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Re: A good driving experience thread

Coming from the UK, I've noticed the complete opposite. Although the standard of driving is much better here, people are not very courteous and very rarely give way, especially when they perceive that you're at fault e.g. stuck in the wrong lane at the traffic lights.
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Old 19.04.2012, 21:16
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Exactly! There is no law in CH that says you have to signal left!!!
My wife tells me her driving instructor here told her the law was not to indicate except for when you reach the exit before you intend to leave the roundabout (as has been stated in this thread). BUT, he also told her that he recommended indicating. Obviously he hasn't taught many drivers here...
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My wife tells me her driving instructor here told her the law was not to indicate except for when you reach the exit before you intend to leave the roundabout (as has been stated in this thread). BUT, he also told her that he recommended indicating.
Huh? I'm a little confused here...

When should one indicate according to your wife's driving instructor? on the left or on the right?
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Old 19.04.2012, 21:32
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Re: A good driving experience thread

I was taught that though it wasn't obligatory (in most countries) it was a good idea to indicate left when you you must continue on round to third, fourth etc. exit, to clarify your intentions, (you are continuing, i.e. not yet exiting) at least if there are no lanes. But when there are clear lane markings (like on major roundabouts with traffic lights) you must take left lane and signal that lane change as well as subsequent lane changes and exit of roundabout.
Pre-roundabout (over fifties) generation never indicate in any country.
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Huh? I'm a little confused here...

When should one indicate according to your wife's driving instructor? on the left or on the right?
Sorry, tired. When I re-read what I'd written I realised it was hella ambiguous!

In more detail, what I meant to say was that, as the here law states, she was taught you only need to indicate to the right when you are leaving the round about, but that you do not need to indicate to the left at all.

But he also recommended to her that if she was going to pass more than two exits, i.e. turn left at a round about, or use it to do a u-turn, then it is sense and courtesy to indicate to the left on entering and then indicate right just before the exit. This way vehicles on other approaches know what you are doing.

The law as it is in NZ explains the way she was taught on this link:
http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/ro...undabouts.html
Just be aware that in NZ, like in the UK, we drive on the left so the rules are reversed. Signalling rules are part way down the page.

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people are not very courteous and very rarely give way.
Coming from Germany, I can confirm this for sure. Whenever u r on baden württemberg Autobahn(unlimited stretch), you will easily find big expensive german cars with swiss number plate on it, driving on the fast lane at a max of 140kmh. U can see a queue of cars behind waiting for him to move to the right lane. Swiss have enough money to buy nice cars but not enough adrenaline to push them hard.
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