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Old 23.04.2012, 13:01
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Re: Driving License Fiasco

The law/regulations re converting a foreign license (if you want to drive here - and same vice-versa in the UK) are in black and white in the government statutes, not flexible and not changeable. To say that it is is wrong and - shall I say it again, it really hisses me off. As said above, first sticky here on EF for all to see, punkt schluss.
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Old 23.04.2012, 13:09
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I'm off down to the BS MFK on other matters, I'll ask the question direct and report back.
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Old 23.04.2012, 13:15
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Thanks Clarence - it will save me a trip! Could you check too if someone who has to take the Swiss test can escape doing theory and first aid, as someone stated earlier. Tah.
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Will do, do do.
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...when one starts saying something is illegal, one should be accurate.
The term "illegal" is correct but somehow misleading,

as not converting a license within the mentioned year violates the law prescription yes, however is no crime (what driving without an authorization would be) but an inobservation of an order prescription.


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One of the first sticky's I read said I had 12 months to change my US drivers licence to a Swiss one without the hassel of paying ...
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Well, it's not for free. No heavy cost but some 80 franks or so it will be.


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Just so that this thread can be put to rest - these are the legal prescriptions covering it.
There was no real doubt about the prescription in terms of time limit and compulsivity.

The question is what happens to those who don't observe - don't know or don't care about - the quoted prescriptions.


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and others get away with lies and subterfuges.
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Why "lies"? In other forums cases are discussed where the license holder had to attest that he had practise in Switzerland, not abroad, and told that flat out at Strassenverkehrsamt.


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We've had so many threads here saying that 'foreigners' are discriminated against in CH, followed by threads like this, and others on health insurance, etc, with indicated that it is in fact quite the opposite in many cases.
Why would this case discriminate Swiss or foreigners? Converting licenses, diploma stuff and other documents is not linked to citizenship but to borders and culture. And in the past it used to be much worse.
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Old 23.04.2012, 13:50
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The term "illegal" is correct but somehow misleading,

as not converting a license within the mentioned year violates the law prescription yes, however is no crime (what driving without an authorization would be) but an inobservation of an order prescription.


There was no real doubt about the prescription in terms of time limit and compulsivity.

The question is what happens to those who don't observe - don't know or don't care about - the quoted prescriptions.
They may get a fine. If some does not follow Art. 42 Abs. 3bis and changes his license according to Art. 44 may get fined as stated in Art. 147 VZV

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1. Wer ein Fahrzeug mit ausländischem Führerausweis oder mit ausländischem Fahrzeugausweis und ausländischen Kontrollschildern führt, obwohl er die schweizerischen Ausweise und Kontrollschilder hätte erwerben müssen,

wer ein ausländisches Motorfahrrad, Kleinmotorrad oder Motorrad mit einem Hubraum bis 125 cm3 oder einen ausländischen Anhänger ohne Fahrzeugausweis und Kontrollschilder führt, obwohl er die schweizerischen Ausweise und Kontrollschilder hätte erwerben müssen,

wer ein ausländisches Fahrzeug führt, das nicht mit dem Unterscheidungszeichen des Zulassungsstaates versehen ist,

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They may get a fine. Art. 147 VZV
Thx, infact I couldn't find this article.

Because what is astonishing is that the article talkes about a "fine" (more 2 franks or rather 2000?), not mentioning at all what a person who did not convert his license on time has to do for converting it. As the problem is that one, not the fine.
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Re: Driving License Fiasco

When I first arrived here, I was given a L permit and changed my licence after about eight months to a Swiss one with no problems at all.
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Thx, infact I couldn't find this article.

Because what is astonishing is that the article talkes about a "fine" (more 2 franks or rather 2000?), not mentioning at all what a person who did not convert his license on time has to do for converting it. As the problem is that one, not the fine.
A judge will decide and it can be up to 10'000.- ! (Art. 333 Abs. 3 and Art. 106 StGB)

My assumption: It will be 100.- to 250.- plus an additional 250.- "Schreib- und Spruchgebuehr"/court costs.
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Re: Driving License Fiasco

Well, the law is crystal clear. How it is enforced is the question.

One must apply before the end of his/her 365th day of stay in CH. It does not mean that you have to take the actual test within this period. Just have to apply. I had applied in the 11th month and had taken the driving test in the 14th. month.

Exception is made (also by law) for those who within the first 12 months spend more than 3 months outside CH. In this case, on the return a new cycle of 365 days kick off.

On a road check, you are asked to show your passport/WP if you show your home country license instead of a Swiss one, so that the police can verify your date of entry into CH. If that is more than 12 months back, you already have a red flag in your hands. You can say whatever you want. You can also be the most charming person in the world. Favoritism despite the law is definitely not in Swiss’ dictionary. It just takes a mean officer (who make the majority) to take you under custody and they will still behave very pleasant towards you until they find out you were just trying to cheat them (they can check all your arrivals history online into CH).
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Well, the law is crystal clear. How it is enforced is the question.
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No, the enforcement is not the point.

Even if one had to pay ten grands as a fine, he still wouldn't know what to do for having his license converted.


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One must apply before the end of his/her 365th day of stay in CH. It does not mean that you have to take the actual test within this period. Just have to apply. I had applied in the 11th month and had taken the driving test in the 14th. month.

Exception is made (also by law) for those who within the first 12 months spend more than 3 months outside CH. In this case, on the return a new cycle of 365 days kick off.
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This is still another situation e.g. for those who are not EU, Norwegian, US, Canadian, Israeli, Moroccan, Tunisian, Japanese ... who don't have to pass any exam if they ask to have their license converted on time.

The question could be aked in this situation what one has to do once over time limit.



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You can say whatever you want. You can also be the most charming person in the world. Favoritism despite the law is definitely not in Swiss’ dictionary. It just takes a mean officer (who make the majority) to take you under custody and they will still behave very pleasant towards you until they find out you were just trying to cheat them (they can check all your arrivals history online into CH).
No, the point is not about cheating and favoritism, but about administration and interpretation of individual cases, probably plus Cantonal law prescriptions (as it seems each Cantons treats the issue in a different manner).
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Re: Driving License Fiasco

Actually the law does not say that you have to convert within 12 months. It only states that you need a swiss license to legally drive after twelve months.
From my point of view it is not clear why the OP alt-f4 has to take a full driving test.

Except the reasoning is something like this: As your license is not valid after 12 months of stay in Switerland, you cannot legally do a Kontrollfahrt after 12 months. Thus, you have to apply for a learners permit.
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From my point of view it is not clear why the OP alt-f4 has to take a full driving test.

Except the reasoning is something like this: As your license is not valid after 12 months of stay in Switerland, you cannot legally do a Kontrollfahrt after 12 months. Thus, you have to apply for a learners permit.
There is some confusion in this thread, I think.

To begin with the (maybe also understandibly) angry OP, who didn't explain very well why his license was taken away by whom and what kind of exam he has to pass. Only the Kontrollfahrt, or also all the rest?

And by talking about applying for a learners permit, you mean that one should have to do the process all over again (theory exam, medical exam, first aid, practise)?

So why the OP and all the other thousands not?
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There is some confusion in this thread, I think.

To begin with the (maybe also understandibly) angry OP, who didn't explain very well why his license was taken away by whom and what kind of exam he has to pass. Only the Kontrollfahrt, or also all the rest?

And by talking about applying for a learners permit, you mean that one should have to do the process all over again (theory exam, medical exam, first aid, practise)?

So why the OP and all the other thousands not?
I'm actually in process of obtaining my Swiss license and surprisingly after 7 years, they told me i can still exchange my foreign license with a Swiss one just by passing a practical exam (1 hr drive)....i think it all depends on the canton you're in
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Re: Driving License Fiasco

So I was at the MFK in Baselstadt and I poised the question for a UK license holder here for 4 years. The response was:
1) you can drive for 12 months only in CH with another license.
2) within 5 years you can convert your license to Swiss with no test.
3) after 5 years you can convert your license to Swiss but you must also pass the driving test, there is no requirement to take the theory or first aid.
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