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Old 04.05.2012, 02:12
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Timing belt and KIA picanto

Hi all,
I'm looking for some advice as I'm about to buy my first car, in a foreign language.

I've seen a Kia Picanto 2004 at 89,000km - CHF 4,800, sounds good to me but... I did a bit of research and saw that timing belts need changing at a little after this point.
ps. There's no mention of any changed parts on the specs.

First of all, does anyone know how a timing belt is called in French?
I hope to go and see it in the morning and I want to find out more about this. The absolute last thing I want is to drive a few weeks in, and snap goes a timing belt costing me me a thousand chuffs so...
I'm guessing I should ask about this, and if it's not been changed recently, move on to another car?

Any thoughts?

Thank you!
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Old 04.05.2012, 02:19
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Re: Timing belt and KIA picanto

Courroie synchrone/crantée = Timing Belt

If the car does have a consistent history of having timing belt issues at this point in it's life then it would be suggested to perhaps move to another vehicle. I whenever I've searched for a vehicle, new or used, you always look for those patterns of complaints people make and when you spot one then either you chance it and hope your car isn't a dud or you move on with the knowledge that you've may have just saved yourself a heck of a load of time and money.
With the first sedan I purchased there was a lot of people mentioning an issue that the transmission was going pretty consistently after some 40 thousand klicks. The next model year up had no such problems so we simply went for that for the added insurance.

Also have you considered purchasing a high mileage version of the same car, with the added knowledge that most likely the parts that break at the 80K-100k mark have probably been replaced? This of course could be easily checked.
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Old 04.05.2012, 02:32
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Re: Timing belt and KIA picanto

If the belt has not been changed, I would walk away, as it costs at least CHF 1'000 to replace (Usually the water pump is also ex-changed)

The replacement is a part of regular servicing, you need to study the service history, and work out if it has been changed or not. Some car manufacturers recommend a change at 80'000 Km. Maybe ask the seller to pay to have it replaced?

If the belt fails the engine is ruined, it won't be a few thousands, it will be a tow to the scrap yard.
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Courroie synchrone/crantée = Timing Belt

If the car does have a consistent history of having timing belt issues at this point in it's life then it would be suggested to perhaps move to another vehicle. I whenever I've searched for a vehicle, new or used, you always look for those patterns of complaints people make and when you spot one then either you chance it and hope your car isn't a dud or you move on with the knowledge that you've may have just saved yourself a heck of a load of time and money.
With the first sedan I purchased there was a lot of people mentioning an issue that the transmission was going pretty consistently after some 40 thousand klicks. The next model year up had no such problems so we simply went for that for the added insurance.

Also have you considered purchasing a high mileage version of the same car, with the added knowledge that most likely the parts that break at the 80K-100k mark have probably been replaced? This of course could be easily checked.
Hi thanks, thanks for the reply.
Well, it's not really a case of choosing a brand or model and then picking higher or lower mileage, it's more of an urgent case of need a car now, want good deal! (Doesn't everyone). I have a max budget of CHF 5-600,
do mileage of about 20km a day during the week and loads more on the weekend. I wanted something below 100k, as I can't see it too long before it gets racked up to 200k, which is where we're at now, with a Peugeot about to lose her hind wheels... But I guess you're right about picking something with higher mileage, but how would I know about each and every car and their backgrounds.... totally overwhelmed!
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If the belt has not been changed, I would walk away, as it costs at least CHF 1'000 to replace (Usually the water pump is also ex-changed)

The replacement is a part of regular servicing, you need to study the service history, and work out if it has been changed or not. Some car manufacturers recommend a change at 80'000 Km. Maybe ask the seller to pay to have it replaced?

If the belt fails the engine is ruined, it won't be a few thousands, it will be a tow to the scrap yard.
Thanks Sbrinz, it's a garage selling and I do believe it'll be expertised before the sale, inclusive of price. Would that come up in an MOT? I'm guessing not if there's no signs of immenent breakage...?

It seems like if it hasn't been changed at this point, it would be too foolish and out of my price range to buy if I know it has to be changed soon, could be the reason someone's selling it...
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Re: Timing belt and KIA picanto

You can actually look at the belt on many cars, there will be no warning before it breaks. It's not covered on the MFK / MOT
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Re: Timing belt and KIA picanto

You didn't say if it's the v6 or not? After just doing one of these for a customer last year. it's a bit complicated as if my memory in right there was 4 timing belts on the v6. One problem I've seen is the engine oil gets in the cooling water from a bad head gasket, second problem is the piston cylinders are not pressed in but fitted so when you take off the heads for a gasket, the cylinder sleeves pop up if you turn the engine and then you have to make sure all cylinders sleeves sit I think .005 mm above the block as the cyl. heads hold them in place. Adjusting them is a bit complicated also, making sure no anti freeze gets back into the engine oil, after fixing the cooling water into the oil from a head gasket. Check the engine radiator for oil in the radiator before buying it. hope this help you to decide.
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Re: Timing belt and KIA picanto

Timing belt is more like CHF 400, but of course depends on the car.

We bought a used Palio for my wife last year, knowing it would need a belt (due to km/age) within a year, but we also got a 5km warranty so had it done just before the 5k so the local garage could verify the rest. No problems.

Meanwhile, on my Ducatis I have six belts to change every two years (though I go three)!

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Meanwhile, on my Ducatis I have six belts to change every two years (though I go three)!

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