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Get a tomtom GPS. Mine paid for itself many times over.
The tomtom does not show speed cameras in Switzerland
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Old 12.06.2012, 14:52
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Re: I'm taking a speeding beatdown

I can sympathize with the OP. After never having gotten a ticket or fine of any kind since i started driving here in 2009, I have received 4 just this year. In addition, I was pulled over while driving the 500 meters to work for not wearing a seatbelt. (I was going 40 km/hr uphill at the time....real dangerous)

Its never been a major speeding violations, 5-10 kms over. There just seems to be way more speed cameras, and police cars around. Guess its time to restock their coffers.
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...... until, on a routine control or another stop, the police discover that you have speed camera warning software (which is illegal here) and give you an even bigger fine.
Huh? I bought it Switzerland. All it does is a) inform you that you are going over the limit which can be rather handy in a place where speed limits aren't always posted very much or well and b) warns you of a fixed speed camera which, particularly in Germany, is very handy. I don't see how the cops would 'Kontroll' the GPS unless they decided to take a ride in the car. Of course, they'd have to be able to understand Brian Blessed shouting about slowing down....

Anyway, I'd take the risk of a bigger fine given how much that GPS helped me stay out of trouble with my lead foot.
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Old 12.06.2012, 15:01
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Good drivers don't speed.
LOL...oh, my, I needed to squeegee the coffee off my laptop after reading that little nugget of swissness. If that were true, what you are saying is that there are, in fact, no good drivers in Switzerland. Hell, even the cyclists were bats outta hell though I don't believe any of them had GPS units attached to their handlebars.

It's one of those little joys of leaving knowing that I'm no longer a wanton criminal by using a GPS with the ability to warn me of a local taxation machine in the form of a speed camera. I'm simply going to have to try harder to be a rebel now that I'm back in the US.
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Old 12.06.2012, 15:03
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Huh? I bought it Switzerland. All it does is a) inform you that you are going over the limit which can be rather handy in a place where speed limits aren't always posted very much or well and b) warns you of a fixed speed camera which, particularly in Germany, is very handy. I don't see how the cops would 'Kontroll' the GPS unless they decided to take a ride in the car. Of course, they'd have to be able to understand Brian Blessed shouting about slowing down....

Anyway, I'd take the risk of a bigger fine given how much that GPS helped me stay out of trouble with my lead foot.
Speed camera warning software is illegal to have installed on a GPS (or iGadget) in CH, and none are sold with it. It has to be downloaded from a non-CH web site.

Because of this, the bizzies (cops to you) can simply press a few buttons on the GPS to ascertain whether a unit has this function installed - without riding in the car. They are more than aware that many motorists use a camera warning system, and are grateful for any extra revenue generated by offenders.
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Old 12.06.2012, 15:04
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Huh? I bought it Switzerland. All it does is a) inform you that you are going over the limit which can be rather handy in a place where speed limits aren't always posted very much or well and b) warns you of a fixed speed camera which, particularly in Germany, is very handy. I don't see how the cops would 'Kontroll' the GPS unless they decided to take a ride in the car. Of course, they'd have to be able to understand Brian Blessed shouting about slowing down....

Anyway, I'd take the risk of a bigger fine given how much that GPS helped me stay out of trouble with my lead foot.
All units have the speed limits posted on the dashboard. However some countries (germany as you said) include the locations of speed cameras in the GPS. However, as the poster correctly pointed out...Switzerland (and France) does not allow TomTom, Garmin, etc... to include speed cameras
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Old 12.06.2012, 15:11
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I'm simply going to have to try harder to be a rebel now that I'm back in the US.
That's easy enough - leave your appt. without any ID; head wrapped in a black headscarf, quoting from the Koran; drinking from a bottle of beer, not concealed in a brown paper bag; and cross the street where there is no signal.
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All units have the speed limits posted on the dashboard. However some countries (germany as you said) include the locations of speed cameras in the GPS. However, as the poster correctly pointed out...Switzerland (and France) does not allow TomTom, Garmin, etc... to include speed cameras
in france they have been renamed "safety zones" which curently appears to bypass the law
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Re: I'm taking a speeding beatdown

Well not really true...sygic mobile DACH is available in the swiss apple store and cameras are loaded...it does have the function to turn it off and it warns you that it is illegal.
Is there anybody on this forum that got pulled over and had the iphone or the gps unit checked?



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Speed camera warning software is illegal to have installed on a GPS (or iGadget) in CH, and none are sold with it. It has to be downloaded from a non-CH web site.

Because of this, the bizzies (cops to you) can simply press a few buttons on the GPS to ascertain whether a unit has this function installed - without riding in the car. They are more than aware that many motorists use a camera warning system, and are grateful for any extra revenue generated by offenders.
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Re: I'm taking a speeding beatdown

I find this string rather amusing and some of the comments are hilarious...we all speed if you say you do not then you are honestly a danger on the road...because you are not aware of what you are doing ..... I just got my first ticket...being new to Vaud I took the wrong turn and ended up on a street that I had never driven on and then the flash.... I honestly did not see a posting for 50 I was doing 59 thought it was a 60...oh well lesson learned...
But if I can get software on my GPS then I will....I am all for safety on roads but doing 59 in a 50 is just a cash cow to me....
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I am all for safety on roads but doing 59 in a 50 is just a cash cow to me....
OK. So then everyone is doing 59... so surely it is OK to do 65... but if everyone is doing 65, then what's the problem is doing 68... but if everyone is doing 68... why, 72 is only a little over what everyone else is doing, so it must be OK...

Get the picture?
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OK. So then everyone is doing 59... so surely it is OK to do 65... but if everyone is doing 65, then what's the problem is doing 68... but if everyone is doing 68... why, 72 is only a little over what everyone else is doing, so it must be OK...

Get the picture?

Yes I get it increase the speed limit.....great suggestion.
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That's easy enough - leave your appt. without any ID; head wrapped in a black headscarf, quoting from the Koran; drinking from a bottle of beer, not concealed in a brown paper bag; and cross the street where there is no signal.
And hang your underwear on a line outside to dry
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OK. So then everyone is doing 59... so surely it is OK to do 65... but if everyone is doing 65, then what's the problem is doing 68... but if everyone is doing 68... why, 72 is only a little over what everyone else is doing, so it must be OK...

Get the picture?
There is nothing to suggest that people drive outside of their comfort zone just because everyone else is.

I hear the same argument regarding drug laws..."legalize pot and everyone will be doing pot!" Nope, people who do drugs will do drugs regardless of legality. Conversely, those who don't do drugs aren't making the decision based on the law but based on the fact that they don't enjoy drug use.
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Re: I'm taking a speeding beatdown

Re: increase the speed limit. Fine. If the limits go up, so will my speed, but until then, I'll stick to the limits as indicated (most of the time... ). Increasing the limits is a different discussion.

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There is nothing to suggest that people drive outside of their comfort zone just because everyone else is.
Bollox. The majority of people pace themselves on the cars around them and what I call "socially acceptable" speeding, i.e. basing speed on their GPS rather than in-car speed and/or adding a few KPH to allow for camera margin of error. If we took actual speed limit enforcement and cameras out of the picture - pardon the pun - many drivers would IMO go just a little faster, then a little more, and then when everyone is comfortable with that, they'll go a few KPH faster again, ad infinitum. It is human nature.

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I hear the same argument regarding drug laws...
You may hear the argument, but I would argue they are very different. People don't see speeding as being illegal or wrong. This is borne out by the long list of disclaimers that come with any fine - see the threads here as a prime example: the conditions were fine, no other cars, late at night etc. etc. etc. and etc. (added for extra effect).

The point is, and this also speaks to JR1965's comment about increasing the limits, that it needs to be one rule consistently applied. You can't vary such rules based on the fact that so-and-so is driving a Porsche with better brakes vs. some old banger. Or if it is raining or not (although I accept that some countries do). What if the road is wet but it has stopped raining? Do we need to add humidity readers to cars so that drivers know when they can go faster?

Doing this would result in so many grey areas that it would be possible to enforce and rules. And to be honest, I would prefer a road with rules than anarchy...
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Old 12.06.2012, 16:56
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9 tickets in 3 years in Switzerland and one in Denmark in 25+ years.

One could conclude that I am a lousy driver now compared to when I lived in DK but the fact is that I drive much slower now than before. My last ticket was at 20 CHF for driving 86 km/h in a 80 zone on the highway. 5 km/h was subtracted so I had to pay for one km/h too many.

I will claim that the driver who was stalling with 65 in the right lane was more dangerous than me doing 86 in the left lane while following the rest of the pack.
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Re: increase the speed limit. Fine. If the limits go up, so will my speed, but until then, I'll stick to the limits as indicated (most of the time... ). Increasing the limits is a different discussion.



Bollox. The majority of people pace themselves on the cars around them and what I call "socially acceptable" speeding, i.e. basing speed on their GPS rather than in-car speed and/or adding a few KPH to allow for camera margin of error. If we took actual speed limit enforcement and cameras out of the picture - pardon the pun - many drivers would IMO go just a little faster, then a little more, and then when everyone is comfortable with that, they'll go a few KPH faster again, ad infinitum. It is human nature.



You may hear the argument, but I would argue they are very different. People don't see speeding as being illegal or wrong. This is borne out by the long list of disclaimers that come with any fine - see the threads here as a prime example: the conditions were fine, no other cars, late at night etc. etc. etc. and etc. (added for extra effect).

The point is, and this also speaks to JR1965's comment about increasing the limits, that it needs to be one rule consistently applied. You can't vary such rules based on the fact that so-and-so is driving a Porsche with better brakes vs. some old banger. Or if it is raining or not (although I accept that some countries do). What if the road is wet but it has stopped raining? Do we need to add humidity readers to cars so that drivers know when they can go faster?

Doing this would result in so many grey areas that it would be possible to enforce and rules. And to be honest, I would prefer a road with rules than anarchy...
Again, I will take issue with your assumption of human behavior, and provide some actual information. This, from the Texas DOT clearly outlines how speed limits are determined in the first place...from an average speed that most people are comfortable driving within.

http://onlinemanuals.txdot.gov/txdot...tile_speed.htm

The reason I had brought drugs into the mix is because speeding and doing drugs are similar in that they are both potentially dangerous and take the average person out of his level of comfort and control. Mature adults are not inclined to maintain a constant level of discomfort regardless of what others are doing.

But perhaps we'll have to agree to disagree.
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Re: I'm taking a speeding beatdown

Hey guess what? There's this really sweet onboard computer with external optical binocular - that's 3D, kids! - sensors which is more reactive and reliable than any plug in device and the best part is it's FREE!

At least Stoners keep a sense of humour when they're busted...
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Hey guess what? There's this really sweet onboard computer with external optical binocular - that's 3D, kids! - sensors which is more reactive and reliable than any plug in device and the best part is it's FREE!

At least Stoners keep a sense of humour when they're busted...
Nah, it's not really that good.

In fact, I'd rather not trust any mission critical computing task to the human brain, and it's sensors are pretty crap too.

Which is why we have speed limits I guess - because the wetware simply can't handle the data at higher speeds. If we could process envirnmental data with the reliability of some mainframes rigged to some military grade sensors we wouldn't need speed limits at all
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