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Old 14.06.2012, 19:14
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Re: Good time to change the car?

I don't completely agree with the mentality "dealers are bad". It's just a good idea to always ask about prices beforehand and tell them to inform you of any exceptions.

I've taken my care to two different dealers so far and no nasty surprises...in fact I had only pleasant surprises (such as yesterday, when I got a small bottle of paint for touch-up work as a gift).

Example: a small coolant pipe cracked. Looked it up, price in us $24. Asked dealer here, was expecting at least 50chf...it was 24chf! Then I tought of replacing it myself, as I feared being quoted XXXchf for the work, however upon asking I found that work was actually XXchf. So, took it to the dealer. Moral of the story: cool dealers exist
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Old 14.06.2012, 19:41
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We have a car bought 6 years ago now with 100k kilometers. Before everything was ok but recently it seems to be getting old. In the past 6 months we spent 5k for two major repairs.

So we are considering changing the car. But another thing is that, we are planning to move to Canada in two years. So if we buy a new car now, we will have to sell it after two years.

I made a simple calculation.
Solution 1: sell the old car. It was bought with 17k CHF, now after 6 years maybe it keeps 25% of the value? 17k*0.25 that's 4.2k. If we buy a new car with also 17k CHF, after two years when we sell it we may lose 30% of the value 17k*0.3=5k. So overall, when we are leaving in two years, we lose 0.8k net.
Solution 2: keep the old car until we leave. when we sell it in two years, it might only keep 10% of the value 17k*0.1=1.7k.

The difference is 1.7k-(-0.8)=2.5k, we lose 2.5k if we take Solution 2, compared to Solution 1. But I think this can be easily compensated due to the fact that we will have less bills of repair to pay in two years, and also that we will actually use a new car for two years.

I have no experience about this... Is my calculation reasonable?
Did not read through all posts but let me guess: your car is French or Italian?
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Old 14.06.2012, 19:46
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Re: Good time to change the car?

I was pissed that I have spent 1,000 CHF in the last year on my BMW that now has 321,000! 5k on repairs for a 6 yera old car what a joke.
The problem with main dealers is they have a store full of parts that they want to sell you, of course I wait until the part actually needs changing......
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Old 14.06.2012, 20:15
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Did not read through all posts but let me guess: your car is French or Italian?
My family has an Alfa since 12 years and so far we haven't changed anything but brake discs and battery. Look at post below - your assumption about French or Italian cars is effed up!

(FYI: We had a Volkswagen before, that we had to sell after 9 years due to rust problems. Both cars were bought as new.)

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I was pissed that I have spent 1,000 CHF in the last year on my BMW that now has 321,000! 5k on repairs for a 6 yera old car what a joke.
The problem with main dealers is they have a store full of parts that they want to sell you, of course I wait until the part actually needs changing......
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Old 14.06.2012, 20:18
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My family has an Alfa since 12 years and so far we haven't changed anything but brake discs and battery. Look at post below - your assumption about French or Italian cars is effed up!

(FYI: We had a Volkswagen before, that we had to sell after 9 years due to rust problems. Both cars were bought as new.)
Dude, the bimmer mentioned has 321k!! Fatman spent 1000 chuffs for repairs. Where are you not getting it buddy?!?!
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Old 14.06.2012, 20:20
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Dude, the bimmer mentioned has 321k!! Fatman spent 1000 chuffs for repairs. Where are you not getting it buddy?!?!
Bimmer 6 years = 5K on repairs
Alfa 12 years = less than 2K on repairs

Now, I'm not sure about the km on the alfa nowadays, but I can assume it's more than 200K for sure. Where's your math, buddy?
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Old 14.06.2012, 20:27
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Bimmer 6 years = 5K on repairs
Alfa 12 years = less than 2K on repairs

Now, I'm not sure about the km on the alfa nowadays, but I can assume it's more than 200K for sure. Where's your math, buddy?
Chap, fatman spent 1k on a bimmer with 321k. The OP spent 5k on a 6 year old car with 100k. I simply guessed that OP's car is Italian or French as they are generally unreliable. WTF is your problem?
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Old 14.06.2012, 20:36
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Chap, fatman spent 1k on a bimmer with 321k. The OP spent 5k on a 6 year old car with 100k. I simply guessed that OP's car is Italian or French as they are generally unreliable. WTF is your problem?
My "problem" is your assumption that french or italian cars are less reliable or in any case worse than German cars. As I have tried to state with the examples above, that assumption is totally wrong. As you might know, Mercedes has a pretty bad reputation when it comes to both quality, mechanics and customer service - just look at the different customer satisfaction indexes during the last years. BMW produced cars in the 90's that had such a bad design that people were forced to put sandbags in the trunks to keep the cars on the road instead of just sliding off. (My uncle had a 5-series and had to do it, recommended by the car dealer)

Now, I'm no "alfista" or in any way brand-addicted, all I wanted to point out was your erratic assumption. Take it easy buddy, and enjoy the warm sunny day
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Old 14.06.2012, 20:43
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My "problem" is your assumption that french or italian cars are less reliable or in any case worse than German cars. As I have tried to state with the examples above, that assumption is totally wrong. As you might know, Mercedes has a pretty bad reputation when it comes to both quality, mechanics and customer service - just look at the different customer satisfaction indexes during the last years. BMW produced cars in the 90's that had such a bad design that people were forced to put sandbags in the trunks to keep the cars on the road instead of just sliding off. (My uncle had a 5-series and had to do it, recommended by the car dealer)

Now, I'm no "alfista" or in any way brand-addicted, all I wanted to point out was your erratic assumption. Take it easy buddy, and enjoy the warm sunny day
Lay off the glue and it will all be fine...
Look at your arguments above and applogize nicely..

Unfortunately German cars are more reliable and look great. I'd love to get a UK car such as the Jag but they are still not built well although look spectacular. French cars are butt-ugly, unreliable and underpowered.
Italian cars... Well same applies
Japanese cars age terribly and have no soul. What is left? Korean? US cars? Come on... You go on and drive your Alfa.
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Old 14.06.2012, 20:53
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Re: Good time to change the car?

I'm not apologizing - on the contrary, I'm explaining my view of the discussion.

I'm gonna be smart enough to retire from this discussion, since it will be of no use to continue arguing with you about cars. You know what they say about arguing on the internet

German cars goodlooking? I'll just quote Top Gear's Clarkson: "Audi must have the laziest and most overpaid design department in the world - all the cars look the same!"


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Lay off the glue and it will all be fine...
Look at your arguments above and applogize nicely..

Unfortunately German cars are more reliable and look great. I'd love to get a UK car such as the Jag but they are still not built well although look spectacular. French cars are butt-ugly, unreliable and underpowered.
Italian cars... Well same applies
Japanese cars age terribly and have no soul. What is left? Korean? US cars? Come on... You go on and drive your Alfa.
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Old 14.06.2012, 21:10
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Well, it is true that each time the garage says they have to change something we never questioned anything.
Also it is really expensive. They charge something like 200-250 CHF per hour just for the mechanician labor hour (excluding everything else)...
You're getting ripped off!

I pay CHF 80/hr, and for excellent work (otherwise I'd do it myself, as I do with my bikes).

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Old 14.06.2012, 21:15
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Re: Good time to change the car?

Bought the BMW with 165k, now has 321k up to 312k I had spent 1500, since then a radiator & a wheel bearing another 1000, the bearing has been chabged 3 times now, what a pain.
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if it was me i would keep the car, and NEVER believe what the garage tells you in relation to change things, always get a second opinion.
Fortunately, our local guy is very good and very honest, and the second (or perhaps first) opinion is MINE!

If anything, things have cost less than I estimated on most occasions, and never more than 10-20% more (than my estimate), and even then due to things that I and they didn't notice until it was apart.

Anyway, best is to find a good local guy.

That said, the Ford dealer in Agno has always been fair, but the local guy is 50m from work (750m from home), so it's just easier.

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Old 14.06.2012, 21:58
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Well, it is true that each time the garage says they have to change something we never questioned anything.
Also it is really expensive. They charge something like 200-250 CHF per hour just for the mechanician labor hour (excluding everything else)...
Find a new garage the laqst service I had cost a total of 400CHF admitted much newer but labour there is under 100CHF an hour
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Old 14.06.2012, 21:58
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Re: Good time to change the car?

To the OP:
1. Keep the car, if you want to save some money. It is the logical thing to do for 24months.

2. If you think the car is going to konk out on you in next 2 years, then buy another car (maybe not new)

3. If you have lots of money or lots of itch to buy a car (new or used), then go ahead and buy it.

Buying a car is emotional, most people do that without thinking too much about the finance part or the mechanical reliability etc.
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Old 14.06.2012, 23:34
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Bought the BMW with 165k, now has 321k up to 312k I had spent 1500, since then a radiator & a wheel bearing another 1000, the bearing has been chabged 3 times now, what a pain.
To be fair to the other poster, you don't know who much was spent on servicing and repairs up to the 165K and and when you bought the car (unless you do know and have the fsh).

The drivers I have used in the U.K. who do airport run businesses do 100,000s Km in a short time, drive all sorts of cars and don't spend much on servicing apart from an oil change every fortnight.
The have all sorts of cars. Hardly any of them have German cars.
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Old 14.06.2012, 23:44
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To be fair to the other poster, you don't know who much was spent on servicing and repairs up to the 165K and and when you bought the car (unless you do know and have the fsh).

The drivers I have used in the U.K. who do airport run businesses do 100,000s Km in a short time, drive all sorts of cars and don't spend much on servicing apart from an oil change every fortnight.
The have all sorts of cars. Hardly any of them have German cars.
I only buy cars with FSH over 130k & at least 10 years old & under 6k chf

Really does not matter if the previous owners were idiots & spent a fortune upto 165k. This one has needed a water pump , a radiator & 6 REAR wheel barings..... That 155k has been added in the last 4 years, I should have got rid of the car in March & not spent the extra 1k!

My previous BMW went from 135k to 305k & I only had to replace 1 ABS sensor which was not even faulty, the wire was brocken & the dealer bullshitted. Oil, Plugs Filters, Brake pads & 1 set of front disks, now thats economy motoring, I never even changed the fuel filter. I did oil changes at 30k rather than 12k to see if it made a difference. Always used synthetic oil!
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At the last main dealer service I had, which was rather expensive, I discovered why there was so much labour.

Every single dealer sticker had been peeled off and replaced with one from this dealer.
Even the plastic plaques on the number plates had been replaced with the ones for this new dealer.
Wow - that was taking quite a liberty! It would be fun to invoice the new dealer for the 'sponsorship' decals they'd applied without your permission. As this is Switzerland I'd imagine at least CHF 5,000 p.a. per sticker!
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Re: Good time to change the car?

a regular service here is nowhere near 200chf. more closely to 500. but it depends on the oil you use. dino or syntethic.

I any case to get back on topic:

If you feel your car is going to be a money pit get rid of it now since costs are being low. Look up on car forums what goes wrong with these cars at this mileage and what you have changed so far. My opinion is that you havent changed much but always paid a high price for parts and labor?
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Old 15.06.2012, 12:26
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a regular service here is nowhere near 200chf. more closely to 500. but it depends on the oil you use. dino or syntethic.
Just paid the bill for my wife's car's 10k service, CHF 240, which is quite close to CHF 200. Labor was billed at CHF 90/hr, I guess they've raised their rates (used to be CHF 80).

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