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Good time to change the car?

We have a car bought 6 years ago now with 100k kilometers. Before everything was ok but recently it seems to be getting old. In the past 6 months we spent 5k for two major repairs.

So we are considering changing the car. But another thing is that, we are planning to move to Canada in two years. So if we buy a new car now, we will have to sell it after two years.

I made a simple calculation.
Solution 1: sell the old car. It was bought with 17k CHF, now after 6 years maybe it keeps 25% of the value? 17k*0.25 that's 4.2k. If we buy a new car with also 17k CHF, after two years when we sell it we may lose 30% of the value 17k*0.3=5k. So overall, when we are leaving in two years, we lose 0.8k net.
Solution 2: keep the old car until we leave. when we sell it in two years, it might only keep 10% of the value 17k*0.1=1.7k.

The difference is 1.7k-(-0.8)=2.5k, we lose 2.5k if we take Solution 2, compared to Solution 1. But I think this can be easily compensated due to the fact that we will have less bills of repair to pay in two years, and also that we will actually use a new car for two years.

I have no experience about this... Is my calculation reasonable?
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Old 14.06.2012, 13:53
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Re: Good time to change the car?

You should have sold it six months ago before spending 5K on repairs (were these foreseen service interval repairs and do you have more major ones due?)
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You should have sold it six months ago before spending 5K on repairs (were these foreseen service interval repairs and do you have more major ones due?)
The major repairs we just did were done in regular maintenance when the garage said something is really bad and has to be changed, then we got the big bill.

We do not have more major ones due, but I'm scared we will continue to have this kind of unpredictable bills. Perhaps next time the garage will discover something else should change...
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Old 14.06.2012, 14:40
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Re: Good time to change the car?

100,000km is only 60,000m, which isn't really much these days. To be honest, with that mileage and if the car has had all the services it should have there's no reason it won't last another two years, unless you're really not looking after it.

Yes, owning a car means you have to spend money on it from time to time. I know 5K is a lot but car parts are not designed to last for ever, they are built to have limited lives and have to be replaced a few times through the car's life, so that is to be expected. Sometimes you do need to challenge the mechanics a bit to get them to tell you what is really necessary and what is just nice to have as they try to sell extra work on really minor things (like changing wiper-blades that you can do yourself or replacing the exhaust as soon as it has the tiniest speck of corosion). If you had to spend the money because something really went wrong that shouldn't have then maybe you've got a bad apple and then it's a different story.

If it was me, having just spent 5K, I would be quite reluctant to shell out another 17K if I know I am only going to keep the new car two years.
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The major repairs we just did were done in regular maintenance when the garage said something is really bad and has to be changed, then we got the big bill.

We do not have more major ones due, but I'm scared we will continue to have this kind of unpredictable bills. Perhaps next time the garage will discover something else should change...
if it was me i would keep the car, and NEVER believe what the garage tells you in relation to change things, always get a second opinion.

Last week a friend took her car for service, she dropped it off, i collected it, garage said they had replaced all the brake pads and discs because they were worn out.

very odd as i replaced it all 6 weeks before - the faces were a look of horror as they had been caught out and expected a know nothing woman just to pay and not to question anything.

this was at a toyota dealer in basel
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100,000km is only 60,000m, which isn't really much these days. To be honest, with that mileage and if the car has had all the services it should have there's no reason it won't last another two years, unless you're really not looking after it.

Yes, owning a car means you have to spend money on it from time to time. I know 5K is a lot but car parts are not designed to last for ever, they are built to have limited lives and have to be replaced a few times through the car's life, so that is to be expected. Sometimes you do need to challenge the mechanics a bit to get them to tell you what is really necessary and what is just nice to have as they try to sell extra work on really minor things (like changing wiper-blades that you can do yourself or replacing the exhaust as soon as it has the tiniest speck of corosion). If you had to spend the money because something really went wrong that shouldn't have then maybe you've got a bad apple and then it's a different story.

If it was me, having just spent 5K, I would be quite reluctant to shell out another 17K if I know I am only going to keep the new car two years.
Thanks for your advice. Another idea just crossed my mind: is it possible that we buy a new car but, instead of selling it in two years, bring it with us in two years to Canada? Do we have to pay a lot for this kind of cross-continent car transfer?
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Re: Good time to change the car?

it sounds like you have already made your mind up you will buy a new car?
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if it was me i would keep the car, and NEVER believe what the garage tells you in relation to change things, always get a second opinion.

Last week a friend took her car for service, she dropped it off, i collected it, garage said they had replaced all the brake pads and discs because they were worn out.

very odd as i replaced it all 6 weeks before - the faces were a look of horror as they had been caught out and expected a know nothing woman just to pay and not to question anything.

this was at a toyota dealer in basel
Well, it is true that each time the garage says they have to change something we never questioned anything.
Also it is really expensive. They charge something like 200-250 CHF per hour just for the mechanician labor hour (excluding everything else)...
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very odd as i replaced it all 6 weeks before - the faces were a look of horror as they had been caught out and expected a know nothing woman just to pay and not to question anything.

this was at a toyota dealer in basel
What was the end of this story? Did you have to pay?
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it sounds like you have already made your mind up you will buy a new car?
No no, not really. Now I'm more inclined to keep this car.
Before we lived in the countryside and we used the car regularly for work. We are moving to the city in the next few months, and we will not use the car for work anymore (will only use it for weekends and holidays). I feel it is kind of strange to sell a still functional car and buy a new one and then just slightly use it for two years and sell it again...
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What was the end of this story? Did you have to pay?

haha no chance, i made a scene in the reception, the items on the car still had the tamper sealant i had applied weeks before.

after that the dealer manager said it was all a mistake and the same model car with a similar number plate had the items changed.. yeah right!

best bit as the car has non standard wheels it needs a special key to open the cover over the wheel nuts, they mechanic couldnt tell me where he put the key - the wheels were never removed!
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Re: Good time to change the car?

keep it and follow up on regular maintenance. or simply run it into the ground. My bmw is now nearing 300k km and I have put in over the years maybe 10k in repairs. (we have it since new) it is normal and I will put another 1000 in it very soon to then sell it in 3 months (moving to the USA)

NEVER go to a dealership. you should always find a small garage.
ex at my garage 700chf for a repair (replacing 2 shocks) cost at the dealer 2450 chf .
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Re: Good time to change the car?

5k in repair bills at 100k kms?

Given the uncanny accuracy of the timing (no doubt just outside your warranty too), I'll guess your car is a Renault.

Caveat: I'm a Renault owner too. And my Espace 2.2 dci (quite possibly the most unreliable and expensive-to-repair car Renault make) has just clocked 100,000km. Uh oh...
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haha no chance, i made a scene in the reception, the items on the car still had the tamper sealant i had applied weeks before.

after that the dealer manager said it was all a mistake and the same model car with a similar number plate had the items changed.. yeah right!

best bit as the car has non standard wheels it needs a special key to open the cover over the wheel nuts, they mechanic couldnt tell me where he put the key - the wheels were never removed!
That's so cool. There has been at least 2 occasions I wish I'd done this. At Mercedes, funnily enough.
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this was at a toyota dealer in basel
My brother has caught his Toyota dealer trying to stitch him up on 3 seperate occasions, with all the problems with his Yaris.

Their latest tactic is to string him out until his warranty runs out, then leave him high and dry.

This is a UK dealer though.
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Re: Good time to change the car?

I need to take my car for a service next month. I have the Service Plus with BMW (Which means the labour is free if I understood it correctly).

Do you guys still think I should find a local small dealer?

This is its second service but I didn't own it from new so no idea what to expect in terms of cost. I think the 40k service is basically an oil / filter change plus general checks so shouldn't be more than CHF200.-, but knowing this is Switzerland I won't be surprised if it's gonna run over CHF500.-!

PS: The emissions test is also due, but I'm not sure if it's BMW that will carry it out.
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Re: Good time to change the car?

abgas test can be done anywhere that offers it, 50-90 seems a common cost. when i first imported my car amag tried telling me its a very complicated test and only toyota can do it for toyota cars and it takes about 2 hours - there wasnt any translation issue.

tell bmw that all you want is the basic service and nothing more, if they want to replace anything write it down and give you a seperate quote but do not do the work without your permission.
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abgas test can be done anywhere that offers it, 50-90 seems a common cost. when i first imported my car amag tried telling me its a very complicated test and only toyota can do it for toyota cars and it takes about 2 hours - there wasnt any translation issue.

tell bmw that all you want is the basic service and nothing more, if they want to replace anything write it down and give you a seperate quote but do not do the work without your permission.
Thanks for the heads up my man!
I feel better equiped with that info!
I've just sent the guy I normally deal with a quick email to arrange a date to take it there, and asked for how much it would cost roughly. There is no problem with the car so I'll make sure they don't change anything without asking me first.
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Re: Good time to change the car?

At the last main dealer service I had, which was rather expensive, I discovered why there was so much labour.

Every single dealer sticker had been peeled off and replaced with one from this dealer.
Even the plastic plaques on the number plates had been replaced with the ones for this new dealer.
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We have a car bought 6 years ago now with 100k kilometers. Before everything was ok but recently it seems to be getting old. In the past 6 months we spent 5k for two major repairs.

So we are considering changing the car. But another thing is that, we are planning to move to Canada in two years. So if we buy a new car now, we will have to sell it after two years.

I made a simple calculation.
Solution 1: sell the old car. It was bought with 17k CHF, now after 6 years maybe it keeps 25% of the value? 17k*0.25 that's 4.2k. If we buy a new car with also 17k CHF, after two years when we sell it we may lose 30% of the value 17k*0.3=5k. So overall, when we are leaving in two years, we lose 0.8k net.
Solution 2: keep the old car until we leave. when we sell it in two years, it might only keep 10% of the value 17k*0.1=1.7k.

The difference is 1.7k-(-0.8)=2.5k, we lose 2.5k if we take Solution 2, compared to Solution 1. But I think this can be easily compensated due to the fact that we will have less bills of repair to pay in two years, and also that we will actually use a new car for two years.

I have no experience about this... Is my calculation reasonable?
It's almost always cheaper to keep a used car running than buy a new one. And with your low kms, it simply makes sense to keep it. The extra two years aren't going to add that much in depreciation.

In addition, you won't be able to import the new car into Canada as it is not North American spec.

After 5k in costs, I'd be keeping that car for another 3-4 years...but only if it's German!
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