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Re: main road turn into side road, man shakes head at me (again)

So, you saying it's all really your wife's fault....
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Oh wait, my wife said .
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My wife said,
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Old 25.06.2012, 20:52
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Yup! Can definitely see how the initial misunderstanding might have occurred!

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hello all traffic experts

I drove along a main road and there was a car waiting at side road. I turn into this side road with one smooth movement. I see that driver (he looks local)
He obviously hates foreigners.

Case solved.
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Got in a right pickle this morning trying to get to Inselspital in Bern - due to road works. Anyway- ended up at a traffic light, realising too late I had to turn right, and was sitting on the cycling lane, and the guy to my right shaking his head. I opened the window and said I had to get to Inselspital - 'Right, he said, follow me' and took us there with a smile and a wave. And yes, he was from Bern

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Old 25.06.2012, 21:47
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Re: main road turn into side road, man shakes head at me (again)

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There is a "stop" line on the main road, but I had understood (from my driver-instructor friend), that I only stop here if there in incoming traffic on the opposite side.
So what do you usually do if there's no stop line?
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Old 25.06.2012, 21:59
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So what do you usually do if there's no stop line?
I (personally) will just stop near the imaginary middle of the road. This marked road with a semi-box, is for cars to stop so that they have enough room for the straight-going traffic to move along.

This was the explanation told to me, by my swiss colleagues, one of them is a driving instructor.
Of course, I am still asking, did I do anything wrong?
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So what do you usually do if there's no stop line?
WHAT?
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Old 25.06.2012, 22:04
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Oh wait, my wife said this could be the issue. But I still think I have right of way nevertheless.

Here is the exact road map.

http://maps.google.ch/maps?q=47.2699...num=1&t=h&z=19

There is a "stop" line on the main road, but I had understood (from my driver-instructor friend), that I only stop here if there in incoming traffic on the opposite side.

I am on main road (Zurichstrasse), turning left into side road (Lindenmoosstrasse). While the other driver was coming to the dotted line along Lindermoosstrasse (with no signal indicated).

My wife said, her instructor had said, some drivers here do not know the rules and they THINK I have to stop at stopline. I can, but I still have to turn in first and they wait. I need not stop if there is no incoming car from opposite direction.

Is this correct?

What is your verdict?
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On the first occasion, there are no markings on the (another) main road, I just turn in.
This is the fourth country I have lived in, and all of them have this silly rule, that where there are traffic lights there is a solid white line crossing the road. When the light is not green, ie most times, drivers have to stop, and check if it is safe to continue. Maybe if you ask your wife to ask the driving instructor, you can find out where you are going wrong, and maybe stop upsetting the other local drivers.
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Old 25.06.2012, 22:11
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Maybe if you ask your wife to ask the driving instructor, you can find out where you are going wrong, and maybe stop upsetting the other local drivers.
Hoi schatzli,
I did ask my wife (she passed the theory test here 2 yrs ago) and I also asked my driving-instructor colleague. He confirmed what I explained, and I just wanted to share the story (just happened at 18:00hrs today). I also wanted to see if any expert here could perhaps point out if my colleague or me was wrong.

Another incident was similar (say 10 days ago), but with no stop-box for the main-road car. The guy also shook his head disapprovingly when he saw me (eye to eye).
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Oh wait, my wife said this could be the issue. But I still think I have right of way nevertheless.

Here is the exact road map.

http://maps.google.ch/maps?q=47.2699...num=1&t=h&z=19

There is a "stop" line on the main road, but I had understood (from my driver-instructor friend), that I only stop here if there in incoming traffic on the opposite side.

I am on main road (Zurichstrasse), turning left into side road (Lindenmoosstrasse). While the other driver was coming to the dotted line along Lindermoosstrasse (with no signal indicated).

My wife said, her instructor had said, some drivers here do not know the rules and they THINK I have to stop at stopline. I can, but I still have to turn in first and they wait. I need not stop if there is no incoming car from opposite direction.

Is this correct?

What is your verdict?
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I did my driving exam here and the instructor and examiner took me by one of those stop boxes in the neighbouring town of Baar. The instructor said that I had to come to a complete stop at the stop line.
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Old 25.06.2012, 22:56
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I did my driving exam here and the instructor and examiner took me by one of those stop boxes in the neighbouring town of Baar. The instructor said that I had to come to a complete stop at the stop line.
And what happens after that?
You give way to the side-road driver or he has to wait for you to drive in?

Or he thinks you are giving him way?
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I think that you need to give the side road priority when they are turning left in front of you eg. the Stop line has to give priority to the triangles.

http://www.bfu.ch/German/strassenver...II_A_10_9.aspx
Nope - that's not what it says.
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Old 26.06.2012, 17:18
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Re: main road turn into side road, man shakes head at me (again)

It is a haltlinie Art. 75 where you have to stop when you have to stop. In your case you have to stop when there is oncoming traffic. you do not have to yield to traffic on the left or right side. so you do not have to stop at this line. (my explanation is for the case you are on driving north on zürichstrasse and turning left.)
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Re: main road turn into side road, man shakes head at me (again)

Nope, you don't have to stop at this line, but could it be that you cut the corner when you turned left and clipped the line there (cardinal sin, but only when others do it )?
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ahaaaaaa..... I zoomed out on the map and see the massage parlour.... tsk tsk (shakes head)
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Re: main road turn into side road, man shakes head at me (again)

I asked several SWISS colleagues drivers today in the office, all said one common thing, "the guy in the other auto is an arschloch"...

I can confirm I did nothing illegal nor wrong.

Anyway, with so many differing answers and responses here, one other thing is clear....: IT IS NOT CLEAR to many people out there.
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I asked several SWISS colleagues drivers today in the office, all said one common thing, "the guy in the other auto is an arschloch"...

I can confirm I did nothing illegal nor wrong.
In which case you were probably going too slowly and/or being indecisive.

Or he didn't like the colour of your car...
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I guess...... you could escalate this IF YOU REALLY WANTED TO!!

Lemme know if you need a donation to your 7 figure defence fund!!
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Sorry, it was me. I was watching Wimbledon on my iPad.
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Cheers for the Google map, now I know what the rusty building is

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Oh wait, my wife said this could be the issue. But I still think I have right of way nevertheless.

Here is the exact road map.

http://maps.google.ch/maps?q=47.2699...num=1&t=h&z=19

There is a "stop" line on the main road, but I had understood (from my driver-instructor friend), that I only stop here if there in incoming traffic on the opposite side.

I am on main road (Zurichstrasse), turning left into side road (Lindenmoosstrasse). While the other driver was coming to the dotted line along Lindermoosstrasse (with no signal indicated).

My wife said, her instructor had said, some drivers here do not know the rules and they THINK I have to stop at stopline. I can, but I still have to turn in first and they wait. I need not stop if there is no incoming car from opposite direction.

Is this correct?

What is your verdict?
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On the first occasion, there are no markings on the (another) main road, I just turn in.
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