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flashed on my bike

I was happily driving down the road on my bike in a 30-Zone.

I can´t seem to remember that bikes are obliged to have speedometers, so I can´t know how fast I´m going.

Next thing I know is that I´m flashed by a speed camera. Seems I went more than 30

Since there´s no numberplate for identification, I wonder if there´s anything to worry about?
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Since there´s no numberplate for identification, I wonder if there´s anything to worry about?
Having succeeded in a 30 zone, you now need to worry about upping your training to aim for the 50kph cameras.
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Old 26.06.2012, 13:41
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I was happily driving down the road on my bike in a 30-Zone.

I can´t seem to remember that bikes are obliged to have speedometers, so I can´t know how fast I´m going.

Next thing I know is that I´m flashed by a speed camera. Seems I went more than 30

Since there´s no numberplate for identification, I wonder if there´s anything to worry about?
Same as a car, ie CHF 40 for 1-5 kph over the limit in a built-up area.
If they find out who you are that is...

I used to live near a place where there was a long downhill section with a spped camera at the end (limit: 70 kph). Some cyclists went down there really fast in order to trigger the camera. They would then go to the police, confess their heineous crime of speeding, and receive the fine (which was a lot smaller in these days) together with the camera picture and the gatso printout. They then had all of that framed, to go on their trophy wall.
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Old 26.06.2012, 13:44
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Re: flashed on my bike

Young female police officers are this very minute being trained by ex-finger print specialists to analyse and categorise the male buttock. If yours are are exceptional you might be traced, but try wearing baggy shorts for the rest of the summer, you might get away with it.
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Old 26.06.2012, 13:46
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Young female police officers are this very minute being trained by ex-finger print specialists to analyse and categorise the male buttock. If yours are are exceptional you might be traced, but try wearing baggy shorts for the rest of the summer, you might get away with it.
Is this hands-on training? If so, where do I volunteer?
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Re: flashed on my bike

With baggy shorts over summer, I shall go for the 50kph cameras first, later the 70kphs should I turn professional.

But seriously, my 30-incident was an accident. And I don´t see how this can be punishable if speedometers aren´t obligatory?

Reason for asking is indeed: I want to claim the photo
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But seriously, my 30-incident was an accident. And I don´t see how this can be punishable if speedometers aren´t obligatory?
Ignorance is no defence in law. It's a bit like suggesting that drink-driving couldn't be prosecuted unless vehicles were required to be fitted with a
breathalyser.
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Old 26.06.2012, 14:31
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Which is the case in France
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Which is the case in France
Not yet it's not.
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But seriously, my 30-incident was an accident. And I don´t see how this can be punishable if speedometers aren´t obligatory?
Not sure it works that way. Ignorance is no excuse, so if you do *ahem* expose yourself, then you could be liable. As a road user, you are wholly responsible for your actions.

<EDIT: snap with Ace1's post>
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Re: flashed on my bike

Googling, and also in here, reveals two opinions:

1. Everyone´s responsible, you have to know what you´re doing.
2. No speedometer, no clue, no fine...

Does anyone know for sure which version is correct? "Opinions" and "thinking" don´t help in this case...

...I would love to "really" know...

Thanks for any possible input!
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Old 26.06.2012, 14:49
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Re: flashed on my bike

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Googling, and also in here, reveals two opinions:

1. Everyone´s responsible, you have to know what you´re doing.
2. No speedometer, no clue, no fine...

Does anyone know for sure which version is correct? "Opinions" and "thinking" don´t help in this case...

...I would love to "really" know...

Thanks for any possible input!
Haha. Why don't you ask them when you ask for the photo...
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Old 26.06.2012, 14:51
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Googling, and also in here, reveals two opinions:

1. Everyone´s responsible, you have to know what you´re doing.
2. No speedometer, no clue, no fine...

Does anyone know for sure which version is correct?
The first one.
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Haha. Why don't you ask them when you ask for the photo...
Because I don´t know how fast I was. If I have to pay CHF 40 (1-5kph) that´d be OK. If I have to pay CHF 120 (6-10 kph), then I don´t want to do it.
Source for fines >>here<< (See 303 - Überschreiten ... signalisierter Höchstgeschwindigkeit ... innerorts).

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The first one.
Thanks for yet another opinion (or knowledge without quoting relevant laws, which is sort-of the same).
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Old 26.06.2012, 14:57
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Re: flashed on my bike

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Having succeeded in a 30 zone, you now need to worry about upping your training to aim for the 50kph cameras.
I'm so jealous...I still can't trigger the 50's in Neuheim...
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I used to live near a place where there was a long downhill section with a spped camera at the end (limit: 70 kph). Some cyclists went down there really fast in order to trigger the camera. They would then go to the police, confess their heineous crime of speeding, and receive the fine (which was a lot smaller in these days) together with the camera picture and the gatso printout. They then had all of that framed, to go on their trophy wall.
Ignoring the blind hypocracy and irony of the situation, I would *so* do this.
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Re: flashed on my bike

Sometimes reading helps , sorry I didn´t do it from the start.

I have specific reason to believe it´s not punishable:

Section 3 of the >>fines-table<< sais the following:
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Motorfahrzeugführerinnen und -führer; Verkehrsregeln im Fahrverkehr
in subsection 303 it then lists fines for speeding...

Considering it explicitly sais "Motorfahrzeugführerinnen", where only in section 6 it sais "Radfahrerinnen und Radfahrer" sounds a lot as if the speeding-fines weren´t applicable to bicyclists.

But still not sure
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Old 26.06.2012, 15:09
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I was happily driving down the road on my bike in a 30-Zone.

I can´t seem to remember that bikes are obliged to have speedometers, so I can´t know how fast I´m going.

Next thing I know is that I´m flashed by a speed camera. Seems I went more than 30

Since there´s no numberplate for identification, I wonder if there´s anything to worry about?
Most 30Km/h zones are in residential areas.

Children tend to play in and around these areas.
Pedestrians, including children have the right-of-way in these areas.

If you had triggered a speed camera, and then knocked down a child on your bike then I really don't think the Police would care whether you've got number -plates on your bike.
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Old 26.06.2012, 15:20
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Sometimes reading helps , sorry I didn´t do it from the start.

I have specific reason to believe it´s not punishable:

Section 3 of the >>fines-table<< sais the following:
in subsection 303 it then lists fines for speeding...

Considering it explicitly sais "Motorfahrzeugführerinnen", where only in section 6 it sais "Radfahrerinnen und Radfahrer" sounds a lot as if the speeding-fines weren´t applicable to bicyclists.

But still not sure
Unfortunately, the general rules banning speeding (Art. 4 and Art 4a traffic rules ordinance) only mention "Fahrzeuge" / "Vehicules" = Vehicles. Which means they incude bikes.

And according to Art. 96, you'll still be fined if you break the rules of the road, even if there is no specific fine set.
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Thanks for yet another opinion (or knowledge without quoting relevant laws, which is sort-of the same).

Well well well, testy aren't we.
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