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The only one I drove was one I rented through Mobility, but it was the worst car I've ever driven. The transmission seems to have been engineered by kindergarteners using some play-dough and sticky tape. After one drive, I vowed never again.

Shame, because transmission aside, they seem like fun little cars.

the cheap ones with only full auto are crap, you have to get the semi auto's and change gear yourself, then they are fine. the full auto is a death trap! we stopped using it, it would literally leave you out of gear on roundabouts while it tried to decide what gear it should be in, then change its mind, and again etc
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So today, I went to test drive a car from a private seller.
It's a Fiat Seicnto Abarth, from '98, with 125k.

Seller wants CHF2.5k

Seemed to be fine, looked pretty good, but I just need some advice.

There were a lot of pieces changed by on the last service, but infact the last service was done by the seller, and some services are no in the service book. There are a few missing, from the previous owner too, he said that they'd been done, but (black) so weren't stamped... Should I be concerned? Is this important, why and why not?

Here is a list of the pieces changed

MFK on DEC 2011

WORK DONE BEGINNING DEC 2011 (WITH supporting invoice)

Bellows gimbal 2x
4x spark plugs
Valve cover gasket
alternator belt
belt air
Brake 4x
Brake disc 2x
+ Oil filter drain
Bellows shaft side box 2x
Timing Belt
Cable set ignition
2x rear wheel hubs
Rear brakes complete with 2x flange
drain brake
Gasket seal o'ring simmering 2x + (there a glass cartere the oil and the two other glass camshaft)
Cable handbrake
and antipolution

(Sorry if these aren't the right names, I did a quick web translate.)

He really doesn't want to go down on the price saying he's put a lot of work into it. The only thing I will need to change right away in the summer tyres, and an oil n filter change at the next service.

So, please tell me what you think! It's a little over what I wanted to pay for a little car, but I'm willing to be flexible if it looks like a better deal than an old rustbucket.

Thank you all,

Sapin
As many others have said --your best bet is to have it checked by a mechanic --including a road test and an inspection.

There is no mention of the water pump which will go and is usually replaced with the timing belt.

My personal opinion is that based on the work the car may have been "beat on" --meaning some aggressive driving. If your heart isn't set on it then I would keep looking. Italian cars are known for less than stellar build quality.

I have bought a lot of used cars and If I were in your shoes I would not buy this one --there are better deals out there.
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Re: My first car... advice before I buy it (or not!)

For 2.5K, I'd get a bike instead.
True, you can spend too much on a car.
But you can also spend too little.
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Old 29.06.2012, 00:07
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Re: My first car... advice before I buy it (or not!)

Thanks to all of you that replied! Great to have some ideas. All the small cars that you mentioned, I've looked into, except a smart car - I have a young daughter and the seat can't go at the front, plus I actually want to put stuff in there, smart is too small! It's a case of finding one not too far away. I'm in Neuchatel by the way.

I'm going to give this fiat a miss. I'm a bit sad, as I was so close, but if I don't feel it, I just don't feel it. For me it's too expensive for an old Fiat, but the seller won't budge on price, so that's no fun for me.

I'll keep on looking and come back to you guys for some more advice (or maybe if I carry on like this, I'll never buy one!)

Thanks all the same

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Somebody mentioned Renault and reliable in the same sentence. FIAT miles ahead of Renault on that front.
http://www.reliabilityindex.com/manufacturer
A friend made the mistake of buying a new Renault Clio. Renault also responsible for the dreaded Fuego
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Re: My first car... advice before I buy it (or not!)

If your budget is only 2'500 CHF then avoid anything pretty, sporty, cool or special.
Keep in mind that you could get a bill for the same amount as the purchase price if something major lets go.

Buy Japanese; Mazda, Toyota, Nissan. They may be boring, dull, ugly, but they just keep on going...
125K on a Japanese shopping trolley is nothing. 125K on an old Fiat is just asking for trouble...

This coming from the nut who bought a Jaguar XJR sight-unseen off eBay in another country with 150k on it....
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If your budget is only 2'500 CHF then avoid anything pretty, sporty, cool or special.
Keep in mind that you could get a bill for the same amount as the purchase price if something major lets go.

Buy Japanese; Mazda, Toyota, Nissan. They may be boring, dull, ugly, but they just keep on going...
125K on a Japanese shopping trolley is nothing. 125K on an old Fiat is just asking for trouble...

This coming from the nut who bought a Jaguar XJR sight-unseen off eBay in another country with 150k on it....
And.. how was your eBay car....!?

Thanks again for the advice, everyone.

What I'm looking for: a Japanese car, pre 2003 (but most likely older), less than chf2.5k, the 'uglier the better' that way one no one'll wanna nick it either, no rust, recent mfk... just let me know if you have one of these and want to upgrade

One more question... if a car has been treated for rust, is this okay, or should i avoid anything which even mentions a speck of rust?!
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And.. how was your eBay car....!?

Thanks again for the advice, everyone.

What I'm looking for: a Japanese car, pre 2003 (but most likely older), less than chf2.5k, the 'uglier the better' that way one no one'll wanna nick it either, no rust, recent mfk... just let me know if you have one of these and want to upgrade

One more question... if a car has been treated for rust, is this okay, or should i avoid anything which even mentions a speck of rust?!
Rust is OK for the MFK as long as there is no hole in the body (or so I've been told by a mechanic once).

I've never seen a car treated for rust in CH, usually they always sell them for export even on the slightest amount of rust/holes.
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If you're prepared to place 'practical and reliable' over 'sexy and headturning', there are a few decent bargains out there. Here are a few examples that you might consider, all of which seem to be in reasonably good condition, not too old, have (relatively) low KMs, should be reliable, and will be cheap to run/insure:

DAEWOO Matiz 1000 SE Plus



FORD KA 1.3 Vita (Kleinwagen)



MITSUBISHI Colt 1.3 16V Champion 2 (Kleinwagen)



OPEL Corsa 1.2 16V Young



RENAULT Twingo 1.2 16V Priv. Adv.

out of those shown, i would without hesitation make the mazda my first choice.
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And.. how was your eBay car....!?
Not a good example for you to follow. Do as I say not as I do...

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Thanks again for the advice, everyone.

What I'm looking for: a Japanese car, pre 2003 (but most likely older), less than chf2.5k, the 'uglier the better' that way one no one'll wanna nick it either, no rust, recent mfk... just let me know if you have one of these and want to upgrade
Doesn't have to be ugly, but make sure that it is very very boring...think of it as a tool, rather than freedom on four wheels.

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One more question... if a car has been treated for rust, is this okay, or should i avoid anything which even mentions a speck of rust?!
You're expecting a lot to find a cheap, old car with no rust in it.
So long as the rust is not in a structural area, it shouldn't be a problem.
i.e. a few bubbles around the rear window or maybe a little in the bottom of the doors, nobody cares.
The problem is if an inspector can see rust in a non-critical area, then he will look a lot closer in the critical areas...

+1 on a Mazda. I bought rough-as-guts 323 with 300'000kms on it for $500 in an emergency years ago (not here of course). It just would not stop. It wasn't exactly safe though....
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Re: My first car... advice before I buy it (or not!)

Newer generation 323 should be as reliable as the old ones, but they are not exactly good looking. I also know of old 323 (and Nissan Sunnys) which were still running at 500'000kms.

I would suggest a Nissan Micra K11 though. I drove one for 10 years and the only thing that ever needed fixing throughout these years was a rusty handbrake cord.
It even has a timing chain instead of a belt, so the engine is pretty much totally service free and maintenance costs are low.

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Re: My first car... advice before I buy it (or not!)

look for a nissan micra, i saw some on autoscout with quite high KMS but cheap - as its japanese it lasts forever. important is to check the service history but expect the stamps in the book to stop after a while because it wont be worth servicing at a franchised dealer, but if the till slips are there for spares its also good.

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out of those shown, i would without hesitation make the mazda my first choice.
The Mazda was easily my first choice as well, although I think the Daewoo (low mileage, full service history, not very old) was a good second choice if the original poster really wanted something small.
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Re: My first car... advice before I buy it (or not!)

Hello all, can I put this out there to you and get some opinions?

A toyota starlet
CHF3.5k
95,000km
mfk to date,
2 month garantie...!
from '94, outside looks good no signs of rust!

Will go and ask today about her past, if she's had a new timing belt, anything else should I enquire about...?

Buy or not to buy? I'm more on the yes side, little more expensive than I wanted but, I'm happier to put that into a toyota than a Fiat!
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So today, I went to test drive a car from a private seller.
It's a Fiat Seicnto Abarth, from '98, with 125k.

Seller wants CHF2.5k

Seemed to be fine, looked pretty good, but I just need some advice.

There were a lot of pieces changed by on the last service, but infact the last service was done by the seller, and some services are no in the service book. There are a few missing, from the previous owner too, he said that they'd been done, but (black) so weren't stamped... Should I be concerned? Is this important, why and why not?

Here is a list of the pieces changed

MFK on DEC 2011

WORK DONE BEGINNING DEC 2011 (WITH supporting invoice)

Bellows gimbal 2x
4x spark plugs
Valve cover gasket
alternator belt
belt air
Brake 4x
Brake disc 2x
+ Oil filter drain
Bellows shaft side box 2x
Timing Belt
Cable set ignition
2x rear wheel hubs
Rear brakes complete with 2x flange
drain brake
Gasket seal o'ring simmering 2x + (there a glass cartere the oil and the two other glass camshaft)
Cable handbrake
and antipolution

(Sorry if these aren't the right names, I did a quick web translate.)

He really doesn't want to go down on the price saying he's put a lot of work into it. The only thing I will need to change right away in the summer tyres, and an oil n filter change at the next service.

So, please tell me what you think! It's a little over what I wanted to pay for a little car, but I'm willing to be flexible if it looks like a better deal than an old rustbucket.

Thank you all,

Sapin
Here, same price...a little over a tenth of the mileage; 9 years younger..
http://www.autoscout24.ch/Search/Det...0&vehid=889092
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Here, same price...a little over a tenth of the mileage; 9 years younger..
http://www.autoscout24.ch/Search/Det...0&vehid=889092
..... Any thoughts on the Toyota instead!?
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Hello all, can I put this out there to you and get some opinions?

A toyota starlet
CHF3.5k
95,000km
mfk to date,
2 month garantie...!
from '94, outside looks good no signs of rust!

Will go and ask today about her past, if she's had a new timing belt, anything else should I enquire about...?

Buy or not to buy? I'm more on the yes side, little more expensive than I wanted but, I'm happier to put that into a toyota than a Fiat!

your not really listening are you?? I'm assuming (due to the price) this is the sporty version, yes? its also 18 years old ffs!!! its going to go wrong, parts are going to be hard to get as its not been made for 13 years, its going to cost you a fortune to keep running.

seriously if your not going to listen to the good advise you have been given then just stop asking questions

there are plenty of cheap cars that come up on here, you have been pointed towards plenty of cheap cars, so you have to decide, do you want cheap or sporty, the saying goes if you can't afford a good sports car, then you really can't afford a cheap one.
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..... Any thoughts on the Toyota instead!?
don't touch it with a barge pole!

http://www.autoevolution.com/engine/...-1990-13i.html

doesn't even have ABS, basically it has NO standard safety equipment, not even a side impact bar, if your involved in a crash your going to be hurt

I don't know how old your are, or what sex, or how long you have had a drivers license, but you say you have kids, I'd be buying something like an old mondeo with all the safety gear, airbags, abs, traction etc, don't care about the body work, sky high km for a couple of thousand tops, cheap to buy, run and fix and most of all SAFE!
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your not really listening are you?? I'm assuming (due to the price) this is the sporty version, yes? its also 18 years old ffs!!! its going to go wrong, parts are going to be hard to get as its not been made for 13 years, its going to cost you a fortune to keep running.

seriously if your not going to listen to the good advise you have been given then just stop asking questions

there are plenty of cheap cars that come up on here, you have been pointed towards plenty of cheap cars, so you have to decide, do you want cheap or sporty, the saying goes if you can't afford a good sports car, then you really can't afford a cheap one.
I am listening, and there's been some very good advice which I really appreciate, but please understand there is so much choice on the internet and I don't have the option of travelling to the other side of Switzerland so I've taken all the advice on board, and put it together with my needs, and I'm keeping my eyes open to every garage that I pass, and I come back here because I appreciate the useful advice I get from the other users.

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ps I don't see the point if you reading my thread if it makes you so stressed.
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I am listening, and there's been some very good advice which I really appreciate,
Yet you totally ignore it

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but please understand there is so much choice on the internet
Yes there is, there are also sites for just about every car ever made that will tell you in great detail everything you would ever need to know about them, eg the 94 starlet has no safety features at all, or the fiat is a pile of crap etc

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and I don't have the option of travelling to the other side of Switzerland so I've taken all the advice on board, and put it together with my needs, and I'm keeping my eyes open to every garage that I pass,
Garage?? for your price range your should be looking on here, ricardo, or private ad's you'll get a lot more for your money

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and I come back here because I appreciate the useful advice I get from the other users.

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ps I don't see the point if you reading my thread if it makes you so stressed.
I know about cars, you asked about cars, that is why.

Look

http://www.autoscout24.ch/Search/Det...6&vehid=927678

same money, 2004 car, and doesn't risk your kids lives

in fact there are hundreds in your price range

http://www.autoscout24.ch/Search/Lis...sort=price_asc

100k km, 200k even 300k km is nothing for a modern diesel
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