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My first car... advice before I buy it (or not!)

So today, I went to test drive a car from a private seller.
It's a Fiat Seicnto Abarth, from '98, with 125k.

Seller wants CHF2.5k

Seemed to be fine, looked pretty good, but I just need some advice.

There were a lot of pieces changed by on the last service, but infact the last service was done by the seller, and some services are no in the service book. There are a few missing, from the previous owner too, he said that they'd been done, but (black) so weren't stamped... Should I be concerned? Is this important, why and why not?

Here is a list of the pieces changed

MFK on DEC 2011

WORK DONE BEGINNING DEC 2011 (WITH supporting invoice)

Bellows gimbal 2x
4x spark plugs
Valve cover gasket
alternator belt
belt air
Brake 4x
Brake disc 2x
+ Oil filter drain
Bellows shaft side box 2x
Timing Belt
Cable set ignition
2x rear wheel hubs
Rear brakes complete with 2x flange
drain brake
Gasket seal o'ring simmering 2x + (there a glass cartere the oil and the two other glass camshaft)
Cable handbrake
and antipolution

(Sorry if these aren't the right names, I did a quick web translate.)

He really doesn't want to go down on the price saying he's put a lot of work into it. The only thing I will need to change right away in the summer tyres, and an oil n filter change at the next service.

So, please tell me what you think! It's a little over what I wanted to pay for a little car, but I'm willing to be flexible if it looks like a better deal than an old rustbucket.

Thank you all,

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Old 28.06.2012, 08:30
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Re: My first car... advice before I buy it (or not!)

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So today, I went to test drive a car from a private seller.
It's a Fiat Seicnto Abarth, from '98, with 125k.

Seller wants CHF2.5k

Seemed to be fine, looked pretty good, but I just need some advice.

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Since you are buying it private, you may want to consider having a mechanic take a look at it to just make sure all is in order. but, from what I can tell, and have seen, the Swiss take pretty good care of their cars in general. gl
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Old 28.06.2012, 08:52
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Re: My first car... advice before I buy it (or not!)

This is a 14 year old Fiat with a lot of KM and already a lot of parts changed.

As for the service book not being stamped, utter rubbish, if the service has been done the book would have been stamped, makes selling the car easier.

My guess is you'll end up paying Chf 2'500 for the car + the same for repairs/tyres within the first year.
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Re: My first car... advice before I buy it (or not!)

It's an old, high mileage Fiat, which can be a hit or miss on reliability, It's an old Abarth Fiat, which while not exotic isn't a standard car either and is a typical boy racers buggy. As such the likely hood of this car having had a rough life is high, evidenced by a service book full of holes. At 2.5K your likely to get what you pay for, and trouble free motoring with something like this may be wishful thinking... or the car could be immaculate and totally reliable.

If you want it buy it, if you want advice... get it checked by a mechanic, a real 1 who can physically inspect and test it.
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Old 28.06.2012, 09:18
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Re: My first car... advice before I buy it (or not!)

"get it checked by a mechanic, a real 1 who can physically inspect and test it."

+1. Should cost in the range of 50-100chf, so definitely worth it.
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Old 28.06.2012, 09:23
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Re: My first car... advice before I buy it (or not!)

Papa Goose is right, at the end of the day it's an old Fiat (Fehler in allen Teilen)
The price also seems to be set a tad at the high end.
http://www.autoscout24.ch/Search/Lis...98&yearto=2000
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Re: My first car... advice before I buy it (or not!)

A similar mileage, 1998 Subaru Legacy, 4WD, leather interior, AC and so on has sold here on EF for 1500CHF quite recently.

Small cars sell at a premium in Switzerland, however I still don't think this Fiat is worth the price. It might have a strong engine but otherwise it's a crappy low end car as it ever was.

If you want a cheap, small city car, which would at the same time be reliable, I recommend you look for a pre-2003 Nissan Micra or a Toyota Starlet. Just be sure to check it a garage for any signs of rust as it can be a major problem.
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This is a 14 year old Fiat with a lot of KM and already a lot of parts changed.

As for the service book not being stamped, utter rubbish, if the service has been done the book would have been stamped, makes selling the car easier.

My guess is you'll end up paying Chf 2'500 for the car + the same for repairs/tyres within the first year.
Agree!

It's cheap to purchase but I have the same feeling for the extra cost...Tyres are expensive, so are repairs, etc...
+ taxes, parking etc...(quite a lot here!)

my comment is if you don't really need a car or don't have so much money, look away... Use public transport! Not being discriminatory here but it does costs a lot, so if on top of that you get a "lemon", you are screwed...

Have you considered also that "car sharing" thing???
Think how many times you can use that service for 2500chf (+ insurance + taxes + parking etc...)...
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Old 28.06.2012, 11:30
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Re: My first car... advice before I buy it (or not!)

Price is too high, look what you can get for same money: 5 years younger and 35k km less

http://www.autoscout24.ch/Search/Det...1&vehid=907725

2 sets of tires and all services done at dealer up to the most recent ones (from what I can understand in german)

This seicento really looks sharp!
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Old 28.06.2012, 11:55
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A similar mileage, 1998 Subaru Legacy, 4WD, leather interior, AC and so on has sold here on EF for 1500CHF quite recently.

Small cars sell at a premium in Switzerland, however I still don't think this Fiat is worth the price. It might have a strong engine but otherwise it's a crappy low end car as it ever was.

If you want a cheap, small city car, which would at the same time be reliable, I recommend you look for a pre-2003 Nissan Micra or a Toyota Starlet. Just be sure to check it a garage for any signs of rust as it can be a major problem.
First of all, yep, was interested in that car, but was just way too big for a young lass like me would be too much for the insurance, and I just don't want a big car.

I feel the same about the price of a Fiat. I'm very glad I asked for some EF advice, and I'll keep looking. If someone sees something, please let me know, I'm just tempted to pick any old thing now, I need a car asap, and I'm getting fed up of looking!

As for public transport, nah, I've had enough. I spend about 4.5 hours on a working day on, or waiting for trains and I'm fed up of my freetime being regulated by the time of the next train! It's definately time for a car!

Well, thanks guys, I've been dreaming of this car, it is very beautiful, but infact the owner is definately a boy racer, and I want to be the only racer in my new speed machine
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Old 28.06.2012, 12:06
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Re: My first car... advice before I buy it (or not!)

Where are you based?

I would avoid this Seicento like the plague, it's high mileage and an old small car... you might as well throw your money away!
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Re: My first car... advice before I buy it (or not!)

If you are looking for a wise spend of 2500 CHF, why don't you buy something like this?
http://www.autoscout24.ch/Search/Det...0&vehid=889092

I have bought a seicento in my first year in Switzerland (like the one above), 2006 model with 60.000 km and never had issues with it. Of course it's a basic car without any luxury (no airbags, no A/C etc) but it really does the job, and you don't have any risk of going over the speed limit on the highway because it can hardly see 120 km/h
In addition this is 9 years younger from the garage
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Re: My first car... advice before I buy it (or not!)

Btw, I hardly doubt that these cars are worth money after 100K km.
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If you are looking for a wise spend of 2500 CHF, why don't you buy something like this?
http://www.autoscout24.ch/Search/Det...0&vehid=889092

Have you seen the side of that??

That's a bloody right off! I don't know about you, but I value my life to be more than the money I would save by buying a health hazard!
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Old 28.06.2012, 12:12
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Re: My first car... advice before I buy it (or not!)

http://www.smartzuerich.ch/

A new car for CHF 99 per month, not stress of histories etc, 3 years warranty, 10 year free service (excluding consumables). It's small, trendy and best of all not a dodgy old Fiat... Job done
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I feel the same about the price of a Fiat. I'm very glad I asked for some EF advice, and I'll keep looking. If someone sees something, please let me know, I'm just tempted to pick any old thing now, I need a car asap, and I'm getting fed up of looking!
There's nothing wrong with Fiat's they have made huge improvements since 1990's. This one in particular was old, had a lot of KM's and was the "boy reacer" model with a very dodgy service history.

I have a Fiat Panda since 2005 (which is for sale) and apart from break pads, tyres and filters it has cost me nothing at all.

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http://www.smartzuerich.ch/

A new car for CHF 99 per month, not stress of histories etc, 3 years warranty, 10 year free service (excluding consumables). It's small, trendy and best of all not a dodgy old Fiat... Job done
This is a good deal, I think you can get the new Fiat 500 for around same price per month which seems to be a very solid and well built car!

I've never driven a Smart, but if they use it at St. Moritz airport it must be good on snow?


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If someone sees something, please let me know, I'm just tempted to pick any old thing now, I need a car asap, and I'm getting fed up of looking!
If you're prepared to place 'practical and reliable' over 'sexy and headturning', there are a few decent bargains out there. Here are a few examples that you might consider, all of which seem to be in reasonably good condition, not too old, have (relatively) low KMs, should be reliable, and will be cheap to run/insure:

DAEWOO Matiz 1000 SE Plus



FORD KA 1.3 Vita (Kleinwagen)



MITSUBISHI Colt 1.3 16V Champion 2 (Kleinwagen)



OPEL Corsa 1.2 16V Young



RENAULT Twingo 1.2 16V Priv. Adv.

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Re: My first car... advice before I buy it (or not!)

you may want to check out the crash test ratings

http://www.euroncap.com/tests/fiat_s...o_2000/73.aspx

the seicento's did extremely badly, I had one as a hire car for a couple of weeks once, and while they are fun to drive you have to rev the nuts off them, and they feel like they are made of paper thin metal (which the crash tests kinda backup)

and being a fiat it will break down and will cost a fortune to fix (again, I've owned a fiat in the past, there reputation is well founded)

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steer well clear of it is my advise.



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Go for that smart deal, had a couple of smarts and they are truly great cars, one was hit from behind at traffic lights, it wrote off the car that hit me, pushed me into the car in front and wrote that off too, I walked away without a scratch, doors still all opened and closed and it was repairable
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Go for that smart deal, had a couple of smarts and they are truly great cars, one was hit from behind at traffic lights, it wrote off the car that hit me, pushed me into the car in front and wrote that off too, I walked away without a scratch, doors still all opened and closed and it was repairable
The only one I drove was one I rented through Mobility, but it was the worst car I've ever driven. The transmission seems to have been engineered by kindergarteners using some play-dough and sticky tape. After one drive, I vowed never again.

Shame, because transmission aside, they seem like fun little cars.
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