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Diesel engines classified as CARCINOGENIC

http://press.iarc.fr/pr213_E.pdf
"After a week-long meeting of international experts, the International
Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC), which is part of the World Health Organization (WHO), today
classified diesel engine exhaust as
carcinogenic to humans (Group 1), based on sufficient evidence

that exposure is associated with an increased risk for lung cancer.
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nothing new there
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Old 10.07.2012, 12:08
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nothing new there
Well before the were considered
"In 1988, IARC classified diesel exhaust as probably carcinogenic to humans (Group 2A)."

Now "probably" has disappeared
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Well before the were considered
"In 1988, IARC classified diesel exhaust as probably carcinogenic to humans (Group 2A)."

Now "probably" has disappeared
Oh well, keep banning cigarette smokers folks.

How many carcinogens from burning 20 cigarettes (~10 grams) per day versus burning say 10 litres diesel (~10 Kgs)?
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Oh well, keep banning cigarette smokers folks.

How many carcinogens from burning 20 cigarettes (~10 grams) per day versus burning say 10 litres diesel (~10 Kgs)?
Interesting comparison. Given that most diesels have DPFs and that 10kg is actually difused dramatically in the air before you inhale it means comparing it to unfiltered direct and lossless inhalations of ciggies is a bit 'apples and oranges'.

That and the size and energy of the particles are different too.
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Interesting comparison. Given that most diesels have DPFs and that 10kg is actually difused dramatically in the air before you inhale it means comparing it to unfiltered direct and lossless inhalations of ciggies is a bit 'apples and oranges'.

That and the size and energy of the particles are different too.
Actually I was thinking of the passive smokers & their exposure to the two types; which seems to be the focus of Swiss regulations.

BTW, interesting article here on DPFs.
http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice...e-filters.html
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Yes ban diesel, everyone must drive petrols which are perfectly safe and do not cause any ill effects to health or environment.
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If you see the clouds coming from my car , I must be committing a genocide.....my smoking inside the car must be even killing more......
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Yes ban diesel, everyone must drive petrols which are perfectly safe and do not cause any ill effects to health or environment.
Benzine is also carcinogenic with no lower safe limit (used in all petrol)

But do keep banning cigarette smokers...
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Re: Diesel engines classified as CARCINOGENIC

Sales of diesel passenger cars in Switzerland are climbing relentlessly, reaching 35.8% in 2012H1. Not quite as bad as neighbouring countries which subsidize diesel fuel, but the trend appears to be here to stay.

Some say it is another asbestos story (long) in the making, but there does not seem much in the way of a "precaution principle" when it comes to diesel. A whole lot has been done to legislate on CO2 emissions, but this goes in favor of more diesels.

Euro 6 norms will probably slow down penetration in small cars because of the incremental cost of urea injection, but I do not expect much impact on the swiss auto market which is a premium diesel market. To take one example, 62% of BMW sold in Switzerland are diesel powered (compared to 78% in Europe).
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Re: Diesel engines classified as CARCINOGENIC

what's interesting to me is that,since i come from italy,I noticed that diesel costs more than the regular Fuel...which is the opposite in my country,because diesel is less refined compared to Petrol fuel,so it costs less...i suppose here they make it cost more because being less refined it's more dangerous....so why do they even sell it??? and in both cases,fuel and diesel here(where people gain ALOT more money from their work than in my country) it all costs LESS than in Italy,period!!
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I believe that the large differential in price at the pump in Italy or France is tax based, not cost based. I also believe that it is not just a matter of refining cost, but demand vs supply.

Germany has let the tax subsidy evaporate, and it had a significant effect on the share of diesel sales in that country.

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