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Car failed vehicle control (MOT)

My car has failed vehicle control (MOT). It is going to cost just over 1000 chf to fix, so I am thinking to trade it in. Is this ok? They are expecting me to come back in 2 weeks with it fixed.

Do I have to tell the garage where I trade it in that it has failed?
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My car has failed vehicle control (MOT). It is going to cost just over 1000 chf to fix, so I am thinking to trade it in. Is this ok? They are expecting me to come back in 2 weeks with it fixed.

Do I have to tell the garage where I trade it in that it has failed?
Whats wrong? Have you looked at getting it fixed in France or Germany?

You don't need to tell the garage when you px, they will give you very little so no skin off their nose.
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Re: Car failed vehicle control (MOT)

OK thanks.

The coolant has a leak and everyone is quoting me for a new pump, I suspect they are right, the inner rubber boots on the driveshaft are ripped.

I don't think I have time to go to Germany.
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My car has failed vehicle control (MOT). It is going to cost just over 1000 chf to fix, so I am thinking to trade it in. Is this ok? They are expecting me to come back in 2 weeks with it fixed.

Do I have to tell the garage where I trade it in that it has failed?

You think the garage isn't going to work out it failed the MOT ?
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OK thanks.

The coolant has a leak and everyone is quoting me for a new pump, I suspect they are right, the inner rubber boots on the driveshaft are ripped.

I don't think I have time to go to Germany.
you can get replacement split boots that dont need removal of the drive shafts and for the leak, it depends where the leak is from, if its the pipes going in and out of the pump then you can "normally" get seal kits.

going to germany is your best option TBH
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Re: Car failed vehicle control (MOT)

The garage where you trade will most likely ask you if it has mfk. They certainly will take the car's paper off you before they even offer you a price, when they run the stammnumber it will ( depending on their system ) show an mfk is due or it had one and thus failed. It will do you no good to not disclose facts if you are asked.

P.s if it's ever been in an accident and you dont disclose they can come after you...
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P.s if it's ever been in an accident and you dont disclose they can come after you...
I maintain that any car that has had a accident report filled in comes under that , however garages in CH take a different view.

They can use loads of filler & that OK, it's not been in an accident
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I maintain that any car that has had a accident report filled in comes under that , however garages in CH take a different view.

They can use loads of filler & that OK, it's not been in an accident
Hey fmf

True it ends up on the register and that should reflect in the price, accident damage Usually only counts if a panel has been cut and welded. Thus stupidly a car can be riddled with filler! However at any sale accident damage is meant to be disclosed, if it's not and discovered later there is recourse
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Hey fmf

True it ends up on the register and that should reflect in the price, accident damage Usually only counts if a panel has been cut and welded. Thus stupidly a car can be riddled with filler! However at any sale accident damage is meant to be disclosed, if it's not and discovered later there is recourse
So how are rust repairs clasified, often welding is used to replace part panels eg wheel arch.

If the car is written of I can see, but your saying a new car that is damaged before it arrives at a dealer (fairly common) & gets repaired then sold as new, needs to be disclosed, or a small parking lot incident?

I generally maintain any car that has had any paint work done has had an accident, even if it's just a briefcase placed on the bonnet.
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So how are rust repairs clasified, often welding is used to replace part panels eg wheel arch.

If the car is written of I can see, but your saying a new car that is damaged before it arrives at a dealer (fairly common) & gets repaired then sold as new, needs to be disclosed, or a small parking lot incident?

I generally maintain any car that has had any paint work done has had an accident, even if it's just a briefcase placed on the bonnet.
True and interesting point. I guess, in general, the thing is in CH not a whole load is repaired due to rust anymore unless it is something special. There is definately a lot more of a disposable mentality.

I would summise that it is pillars and structual frames that obviously fall into the welds and replacement category, but if it needed an new door i dont think so however it should still be disclosed by the dealer at sale. Its tricky as if parking damage was repaired to a new standard who would ever know?

If a car had had a replacement pannel due to rust and it was discovered later then if not stated i suppose when you went back the onus is on them to prove it was routine renovation and not accident....
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if it needed an new door i dont think so
On a previous car I came back to the car park to find a huge dent in the door where someone had clearly lost control of a trolley. Result: new door covered by parking damage insurance. Not an "accident" car, no need to declare. Same goes for dented bumpers. AIUI if the part is replaced in its entirety because a repair is uneconomic, but no structural damage has been done that could affect the integrity of the vehicle, then it doesn't count as an "accident" for the purposes of a sale
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On a previous car I came back to the car park to find a huge dent in the door where someone had clearly lost control of a trolley. Result: new door covered by parking damage insurance. Not an "accident" car, no need to declare. Same goes for dented bumpers. AIUI if the part is replaced in its entirety because a repair is uneconomic, but no structural damage has been done that could affect the integrity of the vehicle, then it doesn't count as an "accident" for the purposes of a sale
I agree. ...but there are of course the grey areas

If one found it had had a new door then returned to the dealer "oi! This has had a new door you didn't tell me about" they could reply that it was a parking damage repaired to guaranteed standards (if this was done under insurance we always have a record of this linked to the stammnumber) you could leave all be it a bit p.o ed they didn't tell you. However if it showed it had had a new door and the lower frame had been jigged back into shape then it's clearly been in an undisclosed accident which may not have put it in the accident register and the seller is potentially in a world of hurt.
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I agree. ...but there are of course the grey areas

If one found it had had a new door then returned to the dealer "oi! This has had a new door you didn't tell me about" they could reply that it was a parking damage repaired to guaranteed standards.
My beef is general repair standards are lower than factory original, which is 1 reason my 29 year Porsche has never had any paint work done since it left the factory. I know I could have the car totally resprayed, however in 5 years it will look worse than it does today, also if a shopping trolly scrapes a door, much of the new paint will come off as it's softer than the original. No doubt because it's more 'green'.
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My beef is general repair standards are lower than factory original, which is 1 reason my 29 year Porsche has never had any paint work done since it left the factory. I know I could have the car totally resprayed, however in 5 years it will look worse than it does today, also if a shopping trolly scrapes a door, much of the new paint will come off as it's softer than the original. No doubt because it's more 'green'.
In the case of your Porker, true it would have been a solvent based 2 pack and not an eco bio water based. Although the quality of water based has advanced in later years it's still not as rock hard as good old 2 pack

I remember years ago on a 911 I did an urgent quick fix to the sunroof which decided to leak badly over me, thus applied some weatherproof tape over the seals for the night as it was outside in a storm untill I could see what was going on with the rubbers in the morning; it had been resprayed and when i carefully pulled the tape off it carefully removed the respray leaving Stutgart factory underneath! Then the roof had to be resprayed again! Perhaps the key had been done badly tho..
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The garage where you trade will most likely ask you if it has mfk. They certainly will take the car's paper off you before they even offer you a price, when they run the stammnumber it will ( depending on their system ) show an mfk is due or it had one and thus failed. It will do you no good to not disclose facts if you are asked.

P.s if it's ever been in an accident and you dont disclose they can come after you...

It's been in a bumper accident and there was a claim by the other party, my car no damage though as it was my bumper.

OK I am going to call tomorrow and say it was an MOT fail and see if makes any odd's. Actually it will really be my first serious contact about buying a particular car.

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Re: Car failed vehicle control (MOT)

I am thinking to trade in my (failed MOT) car at one of those auto occasionen places any experiences out there. I'm hoping to make the deal then a few days later or whatever and they swap my number plates to the new car. Is it really like that? Insurance?
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I am thinking to trade in my (failed MOT) car at one of those auto occasionen places any experiences out there. I'm hoping to make the deal then a few days later or whatever and they swap my number plates to the new car. Is it really like that? Insurance?
It can be if you are both happy with the price

You need to have the insurance in place before the garage can collect plates from the dvla equivelent. When contracts are in place we send electronic tags to the system allwoing them to release the plates and draw up the log book.
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Re: Car failed vehicle control (MOT)

Thanks for all the great answers.

I was just wondering if it is possible to get movement on the sticker price at one of they auto occasionen places.

Thanks.
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Thanks for all the great answers.

I was just wondering if it is possible to get movement on the sticker price at one of they auto occasionen places.

Thanks.
Yes, always barter, haggle and try to deal, you are the buyer after all and cars don't shift that fast here...
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Thanks for all the great answers.

I was just wondering if it is possible to get movement on the sticker price at one of they auto occasionen places.

Thanks.
Yes, but hardly likely if your doing a PX unless you only expect 1000 or less for your car!
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