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What we need is a good manual on how to drive manual. *groan*
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And whenever you're not on the gas, have the clutch depressed.
I do hope you don't mean that as it sounds. You should _never_ have the clutch pedal depressed except when changing gear or coming to a halt.

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Maybe not the best methods, but it worked for me when I was 16, and stuck.
16? Must be American then. You'd have failed a UK driving test for that, big style.
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Old 31.07.2012, 11:22
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The auto is more comfortable to use however a full gearbox change is much more expensive than just a clutch change ^^ and some auto gearbox implementations are just sh!t - even if the box per se is okay-ish the engineers manage to it up with the management software.
I agree thats why im driving a manual here. I had to change the clutch once and it wasnt very nice. Thankfully it was still covered by the guarantee. 1.5k. Ouch!
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Old 31.07.2012, 11:23
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I do hope you don't mean that as it sounds. You should _never_ have the clutch pedal depressed except when changing gear or coming to a halt.



16? Must be American then. You'd have failed a UK driving test for that, big style.
These were just tips for learning how to get used to driving manual. The actual moderation between the clutch and the gas is something that takes time and experience to perfect for a test or general use, but when you are learning for the first time, over-use of the clutch (in non-halting situations as you mentioned) is very beneficial for getting accustomed to the method.
The OP did imply they were just starting off (not even having lessons yet), so tips are given to over come the steep learning curve.

As for 16, very many countries have driving ages of 16 other than Americans, but I figured out you got that I was from the US from my profile. Naturally, I did my drivers test on an automatic, don't know anyone, who has the option to, wouldn't.
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Old 31.07.2012, 11:40
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These were just tips for learning how to get used to driving manual. The actual moderation between the clutch and the gas is something that takes time and experience to perfect for a test or general use, but when you are learning for the first time, over-use of the clutch (in non-halting situations as you mentioned) is very beneficial for getting accustomed to the method.
The OP did imply they were just starting off (not even having lessons yet), so tips are given to over come the steep learning curve.

As for 16, very many countries have driving ages of 16 other than Americans, but I figured out you got that I was from the US from my profile. Naturally, I did my drivers test on an automatic, don't know anyone, who has the option to, wouldn't.
I dont know about any other countries, but in Cyprus, if you pass your test using an automatic, you wont be allowed to drive a manual until you do a test on a manual (Its noted on your license). If you take your test using a manual, you can drive an automatic with no problems
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Re: Manual/Stick

having rented a car in Cyprus I'm rather surprised to find they actually have driving tests there
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having rented a car in Cyprus I'm rather surprised to find they actually have driving tests there

You mean i got cheated into actually taking lessons?
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Pfft. You mean you can't change a CD, update the Satnav and write an SMS too?

Amateur.
Pffftt.

I drove a courier van in London for a year after Uni in the mid 90's.
I could eat a messy sandwich, whilst taking a phone call and changing gear & exchanging finger salutes with other drivers, all as I negotiated 4 lanes of Hyde Park corner roundabout at 50kph & never spilt so much as a drop of mayo in my lap











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I dont know about any other countries, but in Cyprus, if you pass your test using an automatic, you wont be allowed to drive a manual until you do a test on a manual (Its noted on your license). If you take your test using a manual, you can drive an automatic with no problems
I have heard of this in various countries as well. But if you had the choice (say if Cyprus had a transmission independent test), would you still use manual for the official examination?
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I have heard of this in various countries as well. But if you had the choice (say if Cyprus had a transmission independent test), would you still use manual for the official examination?
I've always hated driving slush-box automatics - they just take control away from me, for example never allowing me to stop them from changing down if I don't want them to. And the delay as they wind themselves up before starting off always annoys the hell out of me

Until the latest generation of dual-clutch semi-autos, like the DSG on both our current cars, that was. These give all the direct feel and control of a manual combined with clutch-free usage and the ability to let it do the changing for you if and when you want, while still retaining full manual control when needed.

So, to answer your question - in a country with a proper rigourous driving test like the UK or CH (dunno about Cyprus) I'd probaby always have opted for manual, yes.

And for the OP - if you learn _first_ with a manual, it's really easy. Only if you've got used to the push&go effect of auto boxes is a manual difficult by comparison.
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I am soon to have some manual lessons. No real experience or know how a manual car works. I've tried once and it was chaos. I stalled the car numerous cars. Don't get me started on hills. Any tips, videos, etc. How badly can I ruin the car? I just have to keep patient and calm.
I hope I can help you here. I used to drive over 50,000km a year (for 10 years, and this doesn't include all the other years of driving) for my old job in Australia, and I have never owned an automatic car.

I've had to teach a couple of people how to drive, but I'm by no means a driving instructor.

Learning to drive a manual is the same physical experience as learning to do anything else. It's all about co-ordination and practice, so don't beat yourself up if you find it hard...... EVERYONE finds it hard at the start, so you are not Robinson Crusoe here.


The best tips I have used to teach people is to learn how to locate the 'FRICTION POINT' when you let the clutch out. Get comfortable with where that is, and then changing gears is a breeze, and to just practice the gear changing while the car isn't running.


FRICTION POINT
- To get used to this, first sit on a hill (yep, I know you hate this), have the car running, and keep the handbrake on.
- Next use the accelerator to rev the car a bit (just a bit, not more than 2,500rpm (if there is a tachometer on the dash)), and then slowly let the clutch out.
- You will notice where the car starts to 'slow' the revs down and want to pull away....... this is the friction point.
- depress the clutch again, and try to locate the friction point a little faster.
- the more you repeat this, the faster you will get, and the more natural it will feel to let the clutch in and out.
* - NOTE that this is not good for the clutch, but neither is learning to drive so don't worry too much. If you smell something like a horrible sweet burning smell.... that's the clutch, and that's not good.

CHANGING GEARS
So you've got the hang of the clutch now, so now you have to change gears.
The first thing you need to know is how the sequence works and this is something I can't advise as a lot of cars are different.
My advice is to just sit in the car without the car running, and just push the car through the gears, over, and over, and over again, until you know where the gears are, and until you know them WITHOUT LOOKING.
- a tip here is to know how to hold your hand.
- being a left hand side drive, 1st and second gear should be the first two closest to you, so face your palm towards you and 'pull' the gear towards you.
- finding 3rd, and 4th, hold your right hand so that the palm faces away from you towards the passenger side, so keep your hand open to 'push' the gears towards the door.
- Reverse depends entirely on the configuration of the transmission.
- to find neutral, the gears will 'automatically' centre themselves between 1st & 2nd, and 3rd & 4th, so whatever gear you are in just knock the gear out and it will always find neutral, you don't have to worry.
- Finding 5th, you will feel a 'gate' that you just push gently and it will go through. Be careful when changing to 3rd gear, because if you are "choking" the gear stick you are likely not to feel the gate and find 5th gear instead...... if this happens, clutch in, knock the gear out, and try again.... don't panic.

- You will find what works best for you in the end, but if you find yourself "choking" the gear stick, then you're panicing too much and you'll make mistakes.

To be honest, just sitting in a car and repeating the movement will speed up your co-ordination, and poses no risk or stress to your ability to learn to drive........ ultimately this has to translate to 'actual' driving so if anyone asks if you want to drive - ALWAYS say "YES", don't be afraid.

The more natural this clutch in and out, and knowing where the gears are, the easier actual driving will become..... it's stressful enough to watch the traffic, let alone learn how to co-ordinate yourself inside a vehicle.


Once you can drive a manual, then you can laugh at the automatic drivers like the rest of us.

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I have heard of this in various countries as well. But if you had the choice (say if Cyprus had a transmission independent test), would you still use manual for the official examination?
In Cyprus you actually have a choice. You can do the test in either manual or automatic. Most instructors prefer the manual option but if you want to go for automatic its perfectly legal and there is nobody to stop you.

I did my test in a manual because my dad said so
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Pfft. You mean you can't change a CD, update the Satnav and write an SMS too?

Amateur.
I don't need the satnav, as I can navigate, and my other hand is for the MP3 player and mobile phone ... the Slurpee has priority!
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Once you can drive a manual, then you can laugh at the automatic drivers like the rest of us.
Then when you get a DSG, you can laugh at the poor manual drivers too
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You kids need to get off my lawn!

You will never understand what real driving is with your vacuum servo assisted braking, ABS and power steering. It takes real brute force to properly drive a real automobile!
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It's all about feel.

What I suggest for instant hill start success, is to place your iPhone (or equivalent) on the ground behind one of the wheels.
Some "Fandroids" would suggest that's an excellent idea...
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You will never understand what real driving is with your vacuum servo assisted braking, ABS and power steering. It takes real brute force to properly drive a real automobile!
Yeah yeah, whatever. As I happens, my first car was a 1963 Hillman Imp, so I know exactly what you're talking about. Would I go back? No chance. No fsking chance at all.

Sometimes, you know, just occasionally, technological advances actually make things better.
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Re: Manual/Stick

There is another manual problem people face.

For people from the "civilised world" that is, where we drive on the correct side of the road.

Swapping the gearstick from the left to the right, has some interesting consequences that involve rewiring the parts of the brain that control the windows and/or door handles and the gear lever.

You can always tell a new brit/aussie abroad who hasn't completed the rewiring; the windows are alway going up and down, and they're in the wrong gear. And in the middle of the road.



(Caveat: I'm one of them. Which why I bought an auto...)
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Yeah yeah, whatever. As I happens, my first car was a 1963 Hillman Imp

...but did you retro fit a rover or chevy V8 in the back?
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...but did you retro fit a rover or chevy V8 in the back?
I had to google... but Oh lordy lordy, what did I find? http://www.imps4ever.info/specials/v8/feck.html

Encroyable.
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I had to google... but Oh lordy lordy, what did I find? http://www.imps4ever.info/specials/v8/feck.html

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Go on...you know you want one.
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