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Old 06.08.2012, 21:34
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I have been thinking about the purchase of a small sale boat or motor boat and I wonder if there is a place similar to Autoscout.ch for boat sales. Does anyone know the best way to find out about boats for sale? Thanks.
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Old 06.08.2012, 22:20
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Re: Listings for Boat Sales

Your best bet might be to go to a chandler and look at their noticeboard, there are often boats for sale on there. Otherwise there is always ricardo and ebay (and there are a couple of others I've seen but can't quite recall just now).

More of an issue than the boat, though, is the mooring. Many boats are sold with a mooring, and it's not unknown for the mooring to be worth more than the boat in it. On Lake Zurich, for instance, the average waiting list is between ten and twenty years. I just got a hard-standing space for my dinghy and my holler of joy, I'm sure, could be heard all the way up in Zurich city because I got it in the unfeasibly quick time of 16 months on the waiting list.

You also need to think about licences - do you have the Swiss D-Schein or A-Schein (for sail or motor respectively)? If not, you'll need to do those before you can use your boat without someone on board who already holds a licence (dinghies with up to 15 m2 sail area or boats with engines with max 4 hp are exempt from licence requirements)
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Old 06.08.2012, 23:01
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Re: Listings for Boat Sales

Thanks for the info. Totally forgot about the license. Can you convert foreign boating licenses like you can a drivers? I have a boating license from the state of New Hampshire in the US.
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Old 06.08.2012, 23:34
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Thanks for the info. Totally forgot about the license. Can you convert foreign boating licenses like you can a drivers? I have a boating license from the state of New Hampshire in the US.
lake license or offshore? I just got a quote from these guys for the practical test for the lake license today.
http://www.hoz.ch/
Now don't forget I just done the theory, cost me around 400 Chuff's including study material and test at the river police in Basel.
Five times three hours @ 400 Chuff a three hour pop, then boat insurance, then test fees, then the testers fee, then administration fee. Comes around to 2500-2600 Chuffs total, "although" she said "as you have (and she actually used exclamation marks) "pervious experience" (I have offshore and radio license) you may get away with 1600 Chuff's"
This is around what I was quoted by Delphin Segelschule, so it seems that for the moment I can bury my ambition to splash my boat on Switzerland's pissant puddles.
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Re: Listings for Boat Sales

http://www.boot24.ch/

I am also quite sure I spent less than 2000 for the lessons (12 hours) and license.
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Old 07.08.2012, 08:21
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http://www.ricardo.ch/search/search....NavBarSearch=1
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I am also quite sure I spent less than 2000 for the lessons (12 hours) and license.
Yes! I am totally sure that you can get a license for less, where did you get yours and when was that, the buggers seem to have upped the prices in the last few years. Swiss sailing friends of mine were shocked and stunned when I showed them the quote.
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Now don't forget I just done the theory, cost me around 400 Chuff's including study material and test at the river police in Basel.
Five times three hours @ 400 Chuff a three hour pop, then boat insurance, then test fees, then the testers fee, then administration fee. Comes around to 2500-2600 Chuffs total, "although" she said "as you have (and she actually used exclamation marks) "pervious experience" (I have offshore and radio license) you may get away with 1600 Chuff's"
That's because you asked a sailing (?) school that's trying to sell lessons. I went to the Schiffahrtskontrolle in Oberrieden - ie the horse's mouth - and they said that with my qualifications (commercial YM Offshore, Cruising Instructor, Shorebased Instructor) there's no need whatsoever to take lessons, just register and pitch up for the exams. If you're confident in what you're doing, that is. The theory exam in Zurich costs CHF 40 and the practical CHF 160. They actually said to me, if it were up to them with my quals they'd give me the ticket just like that, but politics and money mean the rules say I have to do the exams here because I did the non-Swiss ones after I moved here.

To the OP - your best bet is to contact your local Schifffahrtskontrolle and ask them whether they will recognise your US qualification and chop it in for the relevant ticket (and if they do I shall be spitting )

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Yes! I am totally sure that you can get a license for less, where did you get yours and when was that, the buggers seem to have upped the prices in the last few years. Swiss sailing friends of mine were shocked and stunned when I showed them the quote.
I did mine some 5 years ago though, so prices may have increased.


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That's because you asked a sailing (?) school that's trying to sell lessons. I went to the Schiffahrtskontrolle in Oberrieden - ie the horse's mouth - and they said that with my qualifications (commercial YM Offshore, Cruising Instructor, Shorebased Instructor) there's no need whatsoever to take lessons, just register and pitch up for the exams. If you're confident in what you're doing, that is. The theory exam in Zurich costs CHF 40 and the practical CHF 160. They actually said to me, if it were up to them with my quals they'd give me the ticket just like that, but politics and money mean the rules say I have to do the exams here because I did the non-Swiss ones after I moved here.

To the OP - your best bet is to contact your local Schifffahrtskontrolle and ask them whether they will recognise your US qualification and chop it in for the relevant ticket (and if they do I shall be spitting )
Gonna see what the Baselites Schfffahrtskontrolle has to say, keep you informed.
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Old 08.08.2012, 12:16
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Re: Listings for Boat Sales

Well I bumbled off to the Schifffahrtsamt in Basel and asked like you said.
First question I got was on who's boat? You can only get your license if a school says that you are capable then the school applies for your tests.
Sailing school says that as soon as you hand over a wad of money they will get to work.
Example: five times three hours at 400 Chuffs for a three hour pop.
That just rubs me the wrong way.
However there is a way around..
..With my own boat (or somebody else's) I can apply myself.
Slammer has a boat.
So now I am off to Herrbrugg (storage place) to finish her refurbishment then I hope I can splash soon.
Now the interesting part, I would need somebody to skipper us to Rohrschach for the Immatrikulation and to get the number plates. Once that is done I can apply for my test and use my own boat.
After the refit I am gonna rename her "Epoxy Lady" by the way.
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Re: Listings for Boat Sales

I'd like to see a sailing school say I'm not capable! But I would expect to have to pay them for the use of a boat for a test. If you don't own a boat here, then it's a good idea to make friends with someone who does - there are plenty of sailing clubs around who might help out
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Right, so this is the way this is gonna work.
I talked to the water cops in Basel about the practical test and it was confirmed that I must go over a sailing school in order to take my test.
Remember them buggers? 5 blocks, in three hour increments @ 400 Chuff's a pop, then all the other do dahs and costs.
"Or" the cop said, "if you have your own boat you can take your test using that"
OooooKaayyy! Slammer likes loop-holes.
I am gonna do it the bassackward way.
I jumped on the pig last wednesday and went to my boat in St. Margrethen in Kanton St. Gallen, happy to report she is now sail-ready-ish, she will never be a beauty, but as they say: "it is the eye of the beholder, screw the regulation antifouling, the bright-work and the shiny stuff, for the immatriculation she has to be in the water, clean and functional.


Stripperpole in place and the v-berth is now Slammer-sized, problem could arise as I have changed the structural integrity of the boat, the cops may bitch about that.

Still full of Baltic barnacles, maybe I should write "fornicate you fishes" with remnants of the antifouling on the hull.

FN-50146, Friedrichshaven registered, very, very rare for such a old, ratty boat.

The antifouling is the leeched out remnants of the stuff I slavered on in Denmark by the way, that stuff will kill anything biological the Baltic can chuck at it, the Bodensee organics should have as much fighting chance as a Jehova's witness in a biker bar.
My next stop was the water police in Rohrschach, there I went to the desk and with a steely gaze and a set jaw I looked the cop straight in the eye, I told them that I wanted to have the boat immatriculiert and on the same day take my test.
"Ok" he said, "here is the application form, take about three weeks to process.
Where does your boat come from?"
"Brought it down from Denmark"
"Ahhh! Do you have the import documents?
"Yes!"
"Are you a resident of St. Gallen?"
"No, Basel"
"Hmmmmm! Is your boat in St. Gallen?"
"Yes"
"Hmmm! Should be no problem, as long as you get a release permit from Basel Town"
I started to sense victory, sweet, sweet victory.
"Do you have as declarations document that the boat is Bodensee conform?"
"No!" Here I pulled my trump card.
"She was already registered on Bodensee, she has a number from Friedrichshaven"
"Oh! Then it should be not a problem"
I beamed.
"Do you have a Bodensee exhaust conformation document for your engine?"
"No! I don't 'cos some bugger has nicked my out border, Schweinehunde, elendige!!!"
(Memo to me: Ebay a Bodensee conform outboarder, with valid documentation)
I walked out of the cop-shop happy as Larry.
Now comes the difficult part.
Getting somewhere to park the boat.
I am not getting delusions of grandeur here, I know that at least for this year it will be slip in, two, mebbe three weeks on the lake and slip out.
It's a matter of getting the timing right.
I slip in a few days before the appointment, get someone to skipper us to Rohrschach, get the license plates and the test done and have a vacation on the lake.
Dear lord don't let me fornicate up the test, pretty, pretty please.
I also asked around for a berth.
"Yup!" The Crone behind the desk tells me, "gonna cost you around eight to twelve thousand Francs for the season"
So I knew then that it is going to be on a guest berth for the duration.
"Why" I asked "are you so over the top pricy-wise"
I got a hurt look back.
At another marina I got this answer.
It's gonna blow your mind.
Marina's have to pay rent for the water in the harbor, they actually have to rent the water from the state, for a 30 berth marina it is around 80 to 90 thousand Franks a year.
Tell that little bit of trivia to your pontoon neighbor next time he bitches about the mooring costs.
So it's gonna be a close call and needs probably a higher sense of organization and timing that poor Slammer could muster if his life depended on it.
Also my jeep, the one that can pull 3.5 tons got wasted by the MFK, the state organ that pulls your car in every few years for a check up.
But I promised my son that we is gonna go sailing this year and I am gonna make the best effort for that, even if I have to tow the trailer the ten kilometers with my genitals.
SunArise is gonna splash.

Obligatory sunset picky from Bodensee.

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I'm also looking for a sailing school near Zug that can do evening classes, preferably in English. One that can scrap the beginners bit for people that have done sailing before would be good. Any recommendations?
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Marie, what's your aim? D-Schein to sail within Switzerland?
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Marie, what's your aim? D-Schein to sail within Switzerland?

My aim is to sit on the boat My other half would like the Swiss D-Schein to sail within Switzerland.
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My aim is to sit on the boat My other half would like the Swiss D-Schein to sail within Switzerland.
Hah, like it

For everyone else, I spoke to Oberrieden today and have put some updated info in a separate thread so it doesn't get lost:

Important information for would-be mariners in Switzerland
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Re: Listings for Boat Sales

http://www.gratis-inserate.ch/ also posts boats for sale.

Try Lang school in Staefa. Classes in english and beautiful place to sail down the lake. I've taken my licence there and fully satisfied. Website: http://www.sail.ch/
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I have been thinking about the purchase of a small sale boat or motor boat and I wonder if there is a place similar to Autoscout.ch for boat sales.
Does anyone know the best way to find out about boats for sale? Thanks.
This boat might be suitable, it comes with a mooring! CHF 25'000

http://www.boot24.ch/chde/Segelboote.../detail/83110/

http://map.search.ch/chevroux/rte-du-port

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