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Old 09.08.2012, 15:50
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Re: driving technique differences

I imagine that for most of us, our preferences are governed by what we learned when we first learned to drive. In my case, the pickup trucks etc that I learned on had an emergency brake that was foot operated, hence the idea that it would help you have a foot free for the clutch when starting on a hillside isn't applicable.

Every manual car built since about 1980 (at least the ones I've driven) has had a safety switch on the clutch that wouldn't let it start unless the clutch is depressed. This includes; Ford, Chevy, Mitsubishi, Audi, Nissan, Jeep and BMW. On the Jeep, I removed the switch so that I could use the hand brake when starting out on steep inclines (10-15 degrees plus) without burning the clutch up.

If it's more or less level, I usually park in 1st or reverse and engine compression holds the car just fine without parking brake applied. If I'm on a hill, then I will also use the parking brake. In my mind, there is absolutely no reason to park a manual transmission car in neutral, as you are then depending 100% on the parking brake (which, by the way, only apples the back brakes, not all 4).

Many years ago, we had a Mitsubishi Eclipse, and in the winter, if you left the parking brake on overnight, it would freeze and I would have to crawl under the car with a hairdryer to thaw it out and get the brakes to release.

By the way, I have personally seen a car roll away in a parking lot after being parked for an hour or so in neutral with the parking brake applied. It was an older car with drum brakes on the back. When they parked the car, the brakes were hot from normal driving. After a while, the pads and drums cooled off, everything contracted and gravity took over.

Regarding Automatic transmissions; the locking pawl in most automatic transmissions (the part that actually locks everything up and prevents the wheels from turning when the selector is in park), is a steel pin that is only a few millimeters across, so you have a lot more metal holding the car in place with your foot on the brake, parking brake engaged, or not, than if you just have the car in park.
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Old 09.08.2012, 15:57
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Re: driving technique differences

Whether it's a requirement for any test, I can't say, but I think the logic is as follows:

- if stopped, whilst driving, for anything longer than a few seconds, the handbrake should be engaged, and preferably manual gears shifted to neutral, with the feet not requiring control. The reason being is that if some dickhead from behind, runs into you, you feet wont be jerked of the brake and clutch pedals (possible at even low speed impacts), and the car lurch forward into the car in front/pedestrians on a crossing/or on-coming traffic at a junction - all of which should be avoided.

If only the handbrake is applied, but left in gear with clutch pedal depressed, and the same happens, the car should stall, but remain stationary, providing the handbrake works effectively.

I'm sure for anyone other than those taking a test, it doesn't really matter if it's parked in gear and started with clutch in or not. Handbrake should be used for parking (I don't for overnight parking on level ground in winter, because the mechanism can freeze, but leave it in gear).

If the handbrake isn't used on a regular basis, the return spring mechanism for release can become slightly stiff (due to lack of use and road grime) and not fully release, resulting in brake pads slightly binding on the disks causing increased wearing and over heating ...... as happened to me recently ...... doh.
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Old 09.08.2012, 18:22
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Re: driving technique differences

Parking without the hand brake is an offence in the UK:
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1...ation/107/made

...and in Switzerland on slopes:
http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/741_11/a22.html

I imagine this would have implications for the validity of your insurance if your car is involved in an accident whilst parked.
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Old 09.08.2012, 18:35
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Re: driving technique differences

If you parked with your handbrake on in France, you'd end up with no bumper.
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Mmm wide and varied styles that's for sure!

I asked about clutch as the release bearing is small and not designed to always be in use , in my experience.

As some cars only start with the clutch depressed I wonder if this is because of the euro habit of always parking in gear.
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Re: driving technique differences

Shall we discuss the indicator tomorrow?
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I suppose so, unless we have enough people to reminisce about the choke.
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I suppose so, unless we have enough people to reminisce about the choke.
That will be for Saturday's "should old people be allowed to drive"
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Re: driving technique differences

not sure, i'm stuck w automatic
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