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driving technique differences

im not going to make a poll as it will be too complicated so.......

i have noticed a lot of people here start the car with the car in gear but clutch depressed and also when at traffic lights keep the car in gear and clutch depressed with handbrake off....

makes absolutely no sense to me at all, never mind wear on the clutch release bearings.

SWMBO went for a refresher lesson today and was told the same

what do you do/ have been instructed to do?
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Old 09.08.2012, 01:51
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Re: driving technique differences

Depends on how much time i will be stopped for. If i know it will be long, its handbreak on and car not in gear. Otherwise its gear in and footbreak depressed
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Depends on how much time i will be stopped for. If i know it will be long, its handbreak on and car not in gear. Otherwise its gear in and footbreak depressed

if its a few seconds fair enough but not at stops or traffic lights
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if its a few seconds fair enough but not at stops or traffic lights
When you say stops what do you mean? Its handbreak off at stop signs and handbreak on when you stop to wait to pick up someone lets say
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Re: driving technique differences

Start a manual in "neutral" with the clutch in. When she starts bang her into first, clutch out and away you go. Handbrake irrelevant unless on a hill really but it is fun to use for an enhanced U-turn. Other foot on the normal foot brake by the way

Never had a driving lesson in my life though, but had advanced large vehicle training in the Army. Can't recall the handbrake being mentioned.

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When you say stops what do you mean? Its handbreak off at stop signs and handbreak on when you stop to wait to pick up someone lets say

Stop sign, handbrake on.... otherwise its a test fail ( in UK at least)
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Start a manual in "neutral" with the clutch in. .

the reasoning behind this?
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Re: driving technique differences

I always start in Neutral with the clutch and foot brake in. The hand brake is reserved entirely for when the car is parked and I am no longer in it (since I park it in neutral as well). In North America the hand brake is called the emergency brake so it is not generally used throughout your daily driving in my experience. The exception might be stopping and starting on an EXTREMELY steep hill.

My partner parks the car in first without the emergency brake on. I almost lurched into a fence once when I discovered this discrepancy in our styles.

I've also put a couple hundred thousand kms on my car and never needed to replace the clutch - I thought this was what it was designed for?
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Re: driving technique differences

And in many cars now the hand beake is a small button near the indicators meaning there is no handbeake so it is even more so only for when you are parked.

The idea of handbrake on at stop lifghts is only for those who cant drive properly and to avoid rolling back when you start if you can drive properly you will know how to hill start without a handbrake if you need the hand brake then maybe you should have an automatic
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Re: driving technique differences

I was always taught you'll wear the clutch out doing that.
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I always start in Neutral with the clutch and foot brake in. The hand brake is reserved entirely for when the car is parked and I am no longer in it (since I park it in neutral as well). In North America the hand brake is called the emergency brake so it is not generally used throughout your daily driving in my experience. The exception might be stopping and starting on an EXTREMELY steep hill.

My partner parks the car in first without the emergency brake on. I almost lurched into a fence once when I discovered this discrepancy in our styles.

I've also put a couple hundred thousand kms on my car and never needed to replace the clutch - I thought this was what it was designed for?
Parking in neutral and relying on handbrake to hold the car would usually mean you find your car some where in a ditch or crashed at bottom of hill where i grew up it was a fail to park the car out of gear. Either park in first or reverse gear
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Re: driving technique differences

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Start a manual in "neutral" with the clutch in.
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the reasoning behind this?
The reasoning is that modern cars won't even start unless the clutch is in

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Stop sign, handbrake on.... otherwise its a test fail ( in UK at least)
I was never told about this by my driving instructor, good thing there were no stop signs on my practical route!
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Parking in neutral and relying on handbrake to hold the car would usually mean you find your car some where in a ditch or crashed at bottom of hill where i grew up it was a fail to park the car out of gear. Either park in first or reverse gear
Makes sense. You have to adjust for your environment always. I grew up in the prairies.
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Re: driving technique differences

In the UK one is taught to apply the handbrake when stopped for anything more than a few moments (e.g. traffic jam). The reasons are:
  • avoids dazzling drivers behind you when driving at night
  • allows a fast/more efficient start when moving off again if you feel the clutch bite and then release the handbrake to start it rolling
  • requires less effort than keeping your leg pressed against the brake pedal for several minutes

A lot of people cease to do this once they've passed the test though.

I would never park the car in gear unless on a really steep slope, since the handbrake is designed for keeping the car secure when parked and the gears are designed for transfering drive to the wheels. Different if you have an automatic with the 'Park' position in the gear box though.

Keeping the clutch pedal depressed when stopped at the lights, for example, will not increase the wear on the bearings at all, since if one waited with the car in neutral, one would have to press the pedal again anyway to get the car back into gear. Slipping the clutch while waiting on a hill instead of using the handbrake will probably wear it out much faster.
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Re: driving technique differences

When starting:-

Gear in neutral, handbrake on, clutch depressed, right foot ready to "tickle" the accelerator (was needed many years ago), and one hand still searching for the now non existent choke.

When stopping at lights, junctions etc:-

Clutch depressed, foot on brake, gear changed into 1st - no handbrake involved. Mostly the time taken for the lights to change, or for your gap to appear doesn't warrant the time taken to engage the handbrake, put the gears into neutral, and release the clutch, only to immediately have reverse the process.

The only time I use the handbrake when driving is if I know I wont be moving for a while, in which case I'll engage neutral and release the clutch, or when I have to do an extreme hill start

When parking:-

Handbrake on, gear in 1st. When parking facing uphill wheels turned into the road, when parking facing downhill wheels turned into the kerb.
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the reasoning behind this?
The reasoning behind this is the flywheel, unless you press the clutch you will be making it harder for it to spin and harder to crank, if you have low battery you will screw yourself and fail to start. That's why new cars can't be started without clutch pressed.

When i took classes (switzerland included) when you stop at a light you put it neutral and hold the brake, handbrake is used only on hills. When you park a car you put it in gear rather than pulling the handbrake probably because when it is super cold the handbrake can get stuck onto the disk
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Re: driving technique differences

What about automatic cars?

Do you keep your foot on the brake while in D, or put it in N or in P?
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Re: driving technique differences

Many older Swiss drivers were taught to turn off the engine at a red light.

My former boss had a start/stop switch built into his car (much like what you find in modern sportscars and hybrids) back in the early 90s. When he came up to a red light, he would hit the switch to kill the engine. When he saw the red/yellow signal, he would hit the button again to restart the engine, then put the car into gear and drive away.

In my case, it depends on the situation. If I know that the signal will take longer, I'll put it in neutral, release the clutch and sit with one foot on the brake. For a short signal, the car is in 1st with the clutch and brake pedals down. I only use the hand brake when parking or starting on a steep incline.

The fire department training (as a machinist and driver) says that you must secure the vehicle with TWO brakes to prevent it from rolling when parked. Since we must park in neutral (the engine must be running to operate the pumps), we are taught to use the parking brake and we must put blocks around one of the wheels. (This is checked during each inspection - if the truck isn't properly secured, we get written up).

For a car, you should use two braking systems also - put the car in gear and use the parking brake. The chances that both fail is much smaller than the chance that just one will fail (e.g. the car pops out of gear or the brake isn't fully engaged and the car can still roll away).
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What about automatic cars?

Do you keep your foot on the brake while in D, or put it in N or in P?
I used to leave it in D and apply the handbrake.bthis is no longer possible with many modern cars that have 'hill start assist. As soon as the foot brake is released the revs increase automatically and the car moves forward.

Thus it is remain in D and foot on brake (and stuff the driver behind)...
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Re: driving technique differences

Oh deary me... it looks like many more hours of instruction are needed. Most of you will never pass a Swiss, German or UK driving test, will you?

Why do they teach you to drive in a certain way? Is it just to pass the stupid test, or is it because experts consider it to be the safest way?
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