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Old 17.08.2012, 14:00
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Re: Speeding Ticket

I would be able to detect that I was doing more than 50kph by observing the objects I am passing. You don't really have to look at the speedo unless you want to be exact.

I have nothing against speeding unless it's inappropriate. Hence the only fines I get are on the highway....

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Old 17.08.2012, 14:01
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Re: Speeding Ticket

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And what's your point? First off you assume that 120kph is all that anyone wants to do, which is demonstrably false (as evidenced here). Secondly you completely ignore points about overtaking power. Sure, it's possible to get decent overtaking poke out of a 2 litre engine, suitably adapted and in a small enough body, like our (now) ~240PS Audi TT, but the 300PS 3.6litre in my Passat makes overtakes even easier still. Bigger really is better.
I was simply indicating that most modern 2L have no shortage of power at no point did I suggest bigger was not better. If you can afford the fuel consumption of larger engines then thats fine

As for overtaking power I have no problems overtaking when I feel like it and while I have no idea how many horses I have the 2L TDI gets me around anything I want to and outpulls the vast majority of petrol engines on climbs
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Old 17.08.2012, 14:06
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Fair enough - I did say it was an assumption. But your figures confirm that 30kph would be quite possible in 4th at least, at 1150rpm which is easily maintainable with that engine, so I think my case rests.
1150 rpm in 4th is clearly the wrong gear, with the 19/43 ratio . To quote your link '19/43 will give you great touring speeds, but may leave you looking for more on the low side.'
The bike pulls smoothly from about 2000rpm, with a 17/43 ratio what your saying may well be correct.
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Not sure that's the case anymore. My mate's a traffic cop and they have strict rules as they keep losing cases in court.

They used to hide on bridges hidden behind the big overhead gantrys on the M6 but can't anymore apparently. Now, they can only put cameras where they are clearly marked (even when in the back of those caravan things they use). Fixed cameras must be bright yellow and they can only be placed on roads where there have been a certain number of fatalities in a set period. That annoys me as I think they should be outside schools, shops etc regardless of deaths.

I read on a motoring website I use that this is the same in Holland and France, although not sure if it's a legal or political practice there. I do know that, like the UK, France clearly marks all cameras now with warning signs, both fixed and in radar zones.



temporary cameras in the UK DO NOT require any "warning signs" but the requirement is a popular myth.

enforcement via laser also does not require warning signs and the enforcement officer does not need to be visible.

take this as a prime example

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/200...FE_468X649.jpg

as speeding is an absolute offence and only requires the opinion of a single police officer i am very surprised that your friend who is meant to be in traffic says court cases are being lost.

i am interested in this field so would like to know more, if you can ask him that would be great.

in france, many fixed camera warning signs have been removed - it varies from department to department.
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Old 17.08.2012, 14:14
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I was simply indicating that most modern 2L have no shortage of power at no point did I suggest bigger was not better. If you can afford the fuel consumption of larger engines then thats fine
If you mainly drive on the autoroute you may well have more fun with identical consumption with a larger engine, My BMW 328 uses 6.8l in the 'land' test which is identical to the 320.
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Old 17.08.2012, 14:55
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Well if you've modified the standard gearing you have no-one but yourself to blame.
Shorter gearing means that it's easy to drive slow!

And bikes don't run well at tick-over (except HD), I generally don't like to go below 3k with the Guzzis and 4k with the Ducatis.

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1150 rpm in 4th is clearly the wrong gear
Err, why? The quote doesn't really help, as it's just generalising, but in my experience it was fine. (The gearing change doesn't matter that much - either it's smooth at those revs or it's not, +-3kph won't really give a significantly different load).

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And bikes don't run well at tick-over (except HD), I generally don't like to go below 3k with the Guzzis and 4k with the Ducatis.
_Some_ bikes will run at, and pull happily from tickover; albeit perhaps not a guzzi or duke, but as I've said, my Sprint ST would do so, and so should the one under discussion here. It's a known trait of the trumpet triples. If it won't, then that's a problem.
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Re: Speeding Ticket

That article is nonsense: it doesn't take a second to glance at a speedometer. (You can see most of it in your peripheral vision). Even if it did, you're only doing 12mph in this case which would make it about 20 feet. You surely look more than 20 feet ahead, don't you?

It's quite simple: these road regulations are not going to get any easier so you need to get used to it and learn how to operate your machine.
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TVR


I've got a Swiss farmer friend who was fined CHF100 for not indicating on a roundabout in a small village at 4:30am in the morning with nobody around, except for the copper who was parked up with his lights off.

A Trevor! Yer, those are pretty fast. When they're not broken down.
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Old 17.08.2012, 15:46
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Err, why? The quote doesn't really help, as it's just generalising, but in my experience it was fine. (The gearing change doesn't matter that much - either it's smooth at those revs or it's not, +-3kph won't really give a significantly different load).



_Some_ bikes will run at, and pull happily from tickover; albeit perhaps not a guzzi or duke, but as I've said, my Sprint ST would do so, and so should the one under discussion here. It's a known trait of the trumpet triples. If it won't, then that's a problem.
It does not pull smoothly from 1150 rev's, which is why I say it's clearly the wrong gear. Which year was your Sprint? the power output & curve did not stay the same throughout production just like the chain sprocket ratios.

Edit This power curve looks like how my bike runs, loads of torque above 2000rpm very little below 1500rpm
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it does not pull smoothly from 1150 rev's, which is why i say it's clearly the wrong gear. Which year was your sprint? The power output & curve did not stay the same throughout production just like the chain sprocket ratios.
1999.
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Whilst I acknowledge I may have hit 69km/h for a brief period - my car literally can change from 50km/h to 70km/h in milliseconds (and with a mph speedo it's not unusual to briefly do so)
Your car may well go from 50 to 70 in milliseconds but you have to actively try to do that, it doesn't do it by itself, I agree it can easily creep up from 50 to 70 over a period of 30 seconds or so, but to do it in a short space of time requires active driver input.

The trouble is with any high performance car that creeps up in speed like that their is no noticeable change in engine note or road noise (Unless you are in the open air, i.e. no roof) and we rely on external references to judge speed.
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The trouble is with any high performance car that creeps up in speed like that their is no noticeable change in engine note or road noise (Unless you are in the open air, i.e. no roof) and we rely on external references to judge speed.
I agree completely, especially if the car is German, and an automatic. Unless the car is something like a TVR, which of course has brilliant driver feedback through the entire speed range, through vibration, engine note, pops and bangs as you come off the throttle entering a 30 zone. You can even somehow feel black ice through the steering before you begin a turn. Amazing cars.
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Your car may well go from 50 to 70 in milliseconds but you have to actively try to do that, it doesn't do it by itself, I agree it can easily creep up from 50 to 70 over a period of 30 seconds or so, but to do it in a short space of time requires active driver input.

The trouble is with any high performance car that creeps up in speed like that their is no noticeable change in engine note or road noise (Unless you are in the open air, i.e. no roof) and we rely on external references to judge speed.
"Literally milliseconds", he said. He's right, of course. 30 000 of them.
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