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Old 30.08.2012, 18:37
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Not quite this information matches that on the category description.

http://www.astra2.admin.ch/media/pdf...-15_2264_e.pdf

ASTRA made a translation mistake, they have both times "a trailer having a mass not exceeding 750 kg" but the law says in the second paragraph "d’une remorque de plus de 750 kg/einem Anhänger von mehr als 750 kg". Otherwise the second paragraph does not make any sense.

Do you report it or shall I?
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Old 30.08.2012, 19:03
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ASTRA made a translation mistake, they have both times "a trailer having a mass not exceeding 750 kg" but the law says in the second paragraph "d’une remorque de plus de 750 kg/einem Anhänger von mehr als 750 kg". Otherwise the second paragraph does not make any sense.

Do you report it or shall I?
It (2nd para) doesn't necessarily make logical sense, but I don't think it's not an error - they're just covering the options.

This is the German:

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Motorwagen und dreirädrige Motorfahrzeuge mit einem Gesamtgewicht von nicht mehr als 3500 kg und nicht mehr als acht Sitzplätzen ausser dem Führersitz; mit einem Fahrzeug dieser Kategorie darf ein Anhänger mit einem Gesamtgewicht von nicht mehr als 750 kg mitgeführt werden; Fahrzeugkombinationen aus einem Zugfahrzeug der Kategorie B und einem Anhänger von mehr als 750 kg, sofern das Gesamtzugsgewicht 3500 kg und das Gesamtgewicht des Anhängers das Leergewicht des Zugfahrzeuges nicht übersteigen
from here: http://www.stva.zh.ch/internet/siche...Alf/LFkat.html

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Motor cars and three-wheeled motor vehicles with a gross weight of not more than 3500 kg and not more than eight seats in addition to the driver's seat, with a vehicle in this category may be a trailer transported with a total weight of not more than 750 kg, vehicle combinations of a tractor vehicle in category B and a trailer of more than 750 kg, the Gesamtzugsgewicht 3500 kg and the total weight of the trailer does not exceed the unladen weight of the towing vehicle
This seems to imply a trailer of max. kerbside gross weight of 750kg (this is a very common size trailer for drivers who don't have the additional categories).
The above bold print does suggest an ambiguity.

Cat B is:
- a car not exceeding 3500kg
- a trailer, not exceeding 750kg gross weight, can be added
- the weight of the loaded trailer should not exceed the weight of the car
- the total combined weight of car and trailer should still not exceed 3500kg
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Re: heavy load driving

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It (2nd para) doesn't necessarily make logical sense, but I don't think it's not an error - they're just covering the options.

This is the German:

from here: http://www.stva.zh.ch/internet/siche...Alf/LFkat.html

Google translates it as:

This seems to imply a trailer of max. kerbside gross weight of 750kg (this is a very common size trailer for drivers who don't have the additional categories).
You were right I made an mistake (corrected above post). Should have read my own linked source that defines "Gesamtgewicht". So it is either:
a) a trailer with a max total weight of 750kg (Item 33 in gray card of trailer)
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b) max weight of trailer (Item 33 in gray card of trailer) + max weight of car (Item 33 in gray card of car) is less than 3500kg AND max weight of trailer is less than empty weight of car (Item 30 in gray card of car).
You can see it best in the PDF Version of the VZV, see Art. 3 (German / French).

Conclusion. OP needs the BE (learning) permit for his particular trailer.
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Re: heavy load driving

mmm thanks for all the responses. I will check into the learners permit tomorrow . see if I can make it .....

otherwise I am simply not going to do it.
Company is not "making" me do it . its more of a arh great if you could do it....kinda thing
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