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Well, look at it from positive side. Police took their time to deliver the ticket with effort of straightening it up. Just as inconvenient thing on their part as on yours. Time of visit 18h00 is by no means offense, it is acceptable (as long as you left with enough time to shower before 22h00, which failing so subject to their another visit). You will get used to it. Give it a shot and postpone packing up the bags

LOL! LOL! Finally, a response with a bit of humor! love it! I see your point... 6.00pm the witching our with my kids and enter a burly cop.. not a good mix! cheers!
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Oh no.. he wasn't there as a favor to me. He was there to throw his weight around and his attitude changed when I got my lawyer on the phone. I come from Atlanta, GA and our police force is one that deserves to be in a permanent hall of shame. I get that i'm in a new place and I have to adapt..and I will but I'm not happy at all. It would have helped if he had a good attitude, but he did not. He also tried to have me sign a new form which he completed himself using the personal information that he had obtained from my B card and Drivers License and when I refused he got loud and that's why I thought to call my lawyer. I'm livid... I don't think that's legal at all. Anyway, we will see him on Monday and we are bringing the Lawyer as well.
my dear people don't like dealing with american's for this exact reason- a call to the lawyer is the first thing done. just remember, it's done the way it's done here, and if you get upset and nasty- he will be too. catch more flies with honey than vinegar and next time just ask him why he came to the house and tell him you'll have your hubby deal with it.

doesn't help to escalate and of course a cop will do the same- please, if i was back in nyc and a cop asked for my license and i refused- imagine what would happen? take a deep breath, have a glass and let it go. there'll be plenty more things that seemed effed up to you and if you let them all get to you like this you'll have a coronary in no time
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It's Friday, August 31st and 15 minutes ago (6.00pm) a policeman knocked at my door and I of course opened it and he started to go on and on about something in German but I stopped him and said I did not speak too much German at which point he produced a traffic ticket, radar pictures with me in them driving our family car and some forms that apparently my husband and I had incorrectly completed. I tried to call my husband who is Swiss, no answer so I called our Lawyer and she then explained to me that we had apparently received a traffic ticket but my husband had completed the form and signed his name and that was wrong because the radar pictures showed it was a woman. Trouble is, we have one car.. we share it on a daily basis so it's hard to tell who was where and when. The policeman understood that and did not doubt me especially because our lawyer had explained what was going on but I'm still in shock that the police have a right to come to your door at 6.00pm and demand that you provide an explanation as to why a traffic ticket was incorrectly completed and demand for your personal information. I must add that i live in a VERY small village and we stick out along with two other families one from D.C. and the other from Chicago. I'M VERY, VERY, disturbed by this incident. A speeding ticket people..a speeding ticket! I have only been here for 10 months and I'm ready to pack my bags and get the hell out of this rigid country!
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my dear people don't like dealing with american's for this exact reason- a call to the lawyer is the first thing done. just remember, it's done the way it's done here, and if you get upset and nasty- he will be too. catch more flies with honey than vinegar and next time just ask him why he came to the house and tell him you'll have your hubby deal with it.

doesn't help to escalate and of course a cop will do the same- please, if i was back in nyc and a cop asked for my license and i refused- imagine what would happen? take a deep breath, have a glass and let it go. there'll be plenty more things that seemed effed up to you and if you let them all get to you like this you'll have a coronary in no time
See, the only German coming out of me is hello and goodbye. There was no room for me to get nasty or angry because I well.. cannot do it. Also with kids running around, one wanting to bolt to the door, another here and another there, the cop getting agitated that he can't get through to me, we can't reach my husband and the last result was our lawyer who could help translate the situation for the both of us. He got upset, that I did not seem to get what he was trying to say also, I was barely breathing from running after the kids. He then handed me the forms to sign and I said no and called our lawyer. Would you sign documents that you had no idea what they contained? would you in all honesty just sign your life away because a cop came to your door? I would hope not. Anyway, I know I need to get used to this place but damn! I really wasn't going too fast and I just don't get why a personal visit was warranted.
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You shopuld be happy they took the trouble, technically you provided incorredct detaiuls which could also be called a fraudulent declaration, it is not unheard of this to happen....
Thanks for your helpful post and I hear your loud and clear and you are very right, fraud is commonplace here and everywhere. My issue and the reason for my post was to just find out if this is normal for cops to show up at your door with new forms, ask for your information if you cannot speak the language, complete the forms for you, and have you sign them even though it's clear that you don't know what you are signing, you don't know what it means to you from a legal standpoint especially for driving 11 km over the limit in a 50KM Zone. Also, the man was not nice at all. Even though my German is limited he was agitated and kept pointing at my picture, pointing back at me, flipping through the forms, etc... Anyway, it's hard to explain the scenario in detail but I'm now open to anything in this country.
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Re: Police were at my door over a Traffic Ticket?

I would show some self reflection before getting so worked up. You didn't get a knock at the door for a speeding ticket. You got a knock at the door for lying to the police. Had your husband just paid the fine rather than sending it back it wouldn't have happened.

Instead he gave wrong information to the police. Now the police don't know the driving habits of everyone in the country and since you lied to the police, it was obvious the police would call by to see why you lied and who the real driver was and if she had a driving license. Would you have preferred if he came to your work?
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See, the only German coming out of me is hello and goodbye. There was no room for me to get nasty or angry because I well.. cannot do it. Also with kids running around, one wanting to bolt to the door, another here and another there, the cop getting agitated that he can't get through to me, we can't reach my husband and the last result was our lawyer who could help translate the situation for the both of us. He got upset, that I did not seem to get what he was trying to say also, I was barely breathing from running after the kids. He then handed me the forms to sign and I said no and called our lawyer. Would you sign documents that you had no idea what they contained? would you in all honesty just sign your life away because a cop came to your door? I would hope not. Anyway, I know I need to get used to this place but damn! I really wasn't going too fast and I just don't get why a personal visit was warranted.
So, you're the only one who is allowed to get upset and frustrated then? Clearly it's frustrating to be in the German part of the country and trying to deal with someone and that person can't understand two words of what he is saying. Please don't tell me that if you were back in Atlanta trying to do your job and the person you were trying to communicate with didn't speak any English you'd not get flustered.

For him it was a routine thing that didn't warrant calling in the lawyers. And since you couldn't communication with him he didn't get why you were making such a big deal about it.

Yes. You live in a small town and the small town cop thought it would be easier to pop over to your house to get you and your husband to fix the mistake.

Calm down. Seriously. It's not going to help you to feel that everything that happens to you is an attack. Give people the benefit of the doubt as they (I hope) do to you. And maybe try to look at it from his perspective for a minute.

And on a final note, not everyone is really up to living abroad. So, if you really can't deal, don't think it's a terrible thing to reconsider. Atlanta is still there waiting for you.
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I don't get it......the police send a payment slip with the report so why fill out a form? Just pay.

My other half has never sped, jumped a red light or parked in a manner to get a fine. All fines come to me........! And I just pay.

Simples. No cops at the door - ever!
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I would show some self reflection before getting so worked up. You didn't get a knock at the door for a speeding ticket. You got a knock at the door for lying to the police. Had your husband just paid the fine rather than sending it back it wouldn't have happened.

Instead he gave wrong information to the police. Now the police don't know the driving habits of everyone in the country and since you lied to the police, it was obvious the police would call by to see why you lied and who the real driver was and if she had a driving license. Would you have preferred if he came to your work?
Thank you for your response. No reflection needed or necessary from me except perhaps how fast I can get to wine cellar. Not sure if you have read the rest of my responses for more clarity but I will repeat it here for you. We did not knowingly lie. We would never knowingly lie to the police or lie to them for that matter - it's not us, and it's not even worth it because people do get caught and it's much worse. The form that was sent to us did not have a fine for us to pay. They just asked for us to complete the drivers information. We share the car, but my husband drives it 90% of the time and when we looked at our calendars, chances were that he was more than likely the culprit but it was me. The police must have then received the forms and said, wait a minute..that's a girl driving the car and not a guy as indicated. I would think, being that it was a minor infracation that they would resend the forms with the back up information and I would obviously take responsibility for it. It's the showing up at my door with an attitude that i don't quite get. It's also the asking of my B Permit, Drivers License, completing new forms and forcing me to sign which doesn't sit well with me that's all. From your post, it seems that they can also come to my job? well that's good to know. I had no idea that they have that much power even over something as minor as a speeding ticket. I broke the law by driving 11KM over the limit in a 50km zone and I'm sorry, and I will take responsibility for it; I just wanted to find out if that is the way things work around here and apparently it's common place and I just have to suck it up deal with it or pack my bags. But I do thank you for your post though, I had no idea that they could also come to my job. wow!
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How do I put this ... he was not happy that we could not communicate and got loud while pointing at my picture and proceeded to check my documents (B Permit and Drivers License), started completing a new form for me to sign even though he knew that i did not understand a word, but his attitude changed when I got a lawyer on the phone and she explained to him and to me what was happening and only then did he calm down. I have kids as well and they were a little on edge.
So when you get the lawyers bill i guess you will see maybe best to stay cool and try and communicate rather than bringing our the bunker buster immeditely.

My guess the lawyers bill will be more than the fine....
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Re: Police were at my door over a Traffic Ticket?

11 over in a 50 - if after the 5km deduction - is quite high (in the scheme of things). Did you not notice the flash? I got caught a few months ago (61, so after deduction 56), and knew I'd get the ticket as soon as I saw the flash - they're very noticeable. As I was only a little over, I didn't have anything to fill in - just a payment slip!

Five years ago, I was summoned to Muttenz police station, as complaint had been made against me, because I'd put the cardboard out for recycling a couple of days earlier than allowed. It was all sorted out quite amicably.

Funnily enough, that evening, a jewellers was broken into. Police were unable to attend because they were dealing with a serious littering offence...

The idea of reaching for a lawyer didn't even cross my mind. I don't even have one... The thing is, when you're in another country, they do things differently. The officer might have thought he was being helpful, and then may have picked up on your agitation and got agitated himself, finding himself in a situation he didn't want to be in. Every now and then, something will come along that has the effect of being slapped in the face with a piece of wet haddock. All part of the joy of being a global citizen.
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I would react exactly the same to be honest. When you are new in the country, don't speak a word of German, don't understand what a policeman is doing at your door, whatever the time of the day, and you have kids, probably to get your attention at the same time, and on the top of that your husband is not answering the phone, you become mad. What is it to do with 6pm? Being a mum, I think it's to do with the end of the day, having spent it looking after your kids, the household, cooking etc, and you are tired mostly that you know your day is not over yet so, fortunately everything is fine now and you can relax. Help yourself with a glass of wine once the kids are in bed and don't think anymore about it, let your husband taking over
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Thank you for your response. No reflection needed or necessary from me except perhaps how fast I can get to wine cellar. Not sure if you have read the rest of my responses for more clarity but I will repeat it here for you. We did not knowingly lie. We would never knowingly lie to the police or lie to them for that matter - it's not us, and it's not even worth it because people do get caught and it's much worse. The form that was sent to us did not have a fine for us to pay. They just asked for us to complete the drivers information. We share the car, but my husband drives it 90% of the time and when we looked at our calendars, chances were that he was more than likely the culprit but it was me. The police must have then received the forms and said, wait a minute..that's a girl driving the car and not a guy as indicated. I would think, being that it was a minor infracation that they would resend the forms with the back up information and I would obviously take responsibility for it. It's the showing up at my door with an attitude that i don't quite get. It's also the asking of my B Permit, Drivers License, completing new forms and forcing me to sign which doesn't sit well with me that's all. From your post, it seems that they can also come to my job? well that's good to know. I had no idea that they have that much power even over something as minor as a speeding ticket. I broke the law by driving 11KM over the limit in a 50km zone and I'm sorry, and I will take responsibility for it; I just wanted to find out if that is the way things work around here and apparently it's common place and I just have to suck it up deal with it or pack my bags. But I do thank you for your post though, I had no idea that they could also come to my job. wow!

They didn't know that you did not knowingly lie. They didn't know that you wouldn't be able to speak German/French/Italian.

They have to ask for b-permit, driver licence, resident papers etc. It is their job. You can apologies for your lack of language skills, offer the police man to come inside and use google translate to get your point across. He might even accept a glass of water.
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Five years ago, I was summoned to Muttenz police station, as complaint had been made against me, because I'd put the cardboard out for recycling a couple of days earlier than allowed. It was all sorted out quite amicably.

Funnily enough, that evening, a jewellers was broken into. Police were unable to attend because they were dealing with a serious littering offence...

The idea of reaching for a lawyer didn't even cross my mind. I don't even have one... The thing is, when you're in another country, they do things differently. The officer might have thought he was being helpful, and then may have picked up on your agitation and got agitated himself, finding himself in a situation he didn't want to be in. Every now and then, something will come along that has the effect of being slapped in the face with a piece of wet haddock. All part of the joy of being a global citizen.
I absolutely love your response and you are right! every country has it's own quirks and things.. and boy i'm I trying hard to be the best person I can be in my new society! Most of the responses here have me floored because it appears, I'm the only one struggling to adjust with the language etc and to be honest, my only intent was to find out if it's normal for cops to come ot your door over a traffic ticket and apparently it is and they can also do it at your job so there you go. I learned something new today so there you go! thanks for your post! :-) lol!
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Apparently, I was driving 11KM over the speeding limit. So not too bad...but yes, I think a visit is a little excessive. He wasn't there to issue a warrant or anything like that, he just said that the form was incorrectly completed and he took it upon himself to come to our home to sort it out?! at 6.00pm!! I'm usually very careful when I drive, actually it's my very first ticket so you can imagine I'm a little bit on the edge. I have never had cops come to my door over a speeding ticket or anything for that matter. This just takes it to a whole new level for me!
Please stop with this aggressive, over the top, overly dramatic, American attitude. It won't get you anywhere in Switzerland. Welcome to "reality." In Switzerland get ready for your ego to take a few knocks, or maybe more than a few depending on how "rigid" you are. There is no need to be so aggressive and defensive in Switzerland you can actually "really live" for a change. The people are more laid back here and if your way of coping is running to the cellar for a bottle of wine because you have to follow the law, then you are in trouble. You are not in Atlanta anymore...
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Thank you for your response. No reflection needed or necessary from me except perhaps how fast I can get to wine cellar. Not sure if you have read the rest of my responses for more clarity but I will repeat it here for you. We did not knowingly lie. We would never knowingly lie to the police or lie to them for that matter - it's not us, and it's not even worth it because people do get caught and it's much worse. The form that was sent to us did not have a fine for us to pay. They just asked for us to complete the drivers information. We share the car, but my husband drives it 90% of the time and when we looked at our calendars, chances were that he was more than likely the culprit but it was me. The police must have then received the forms and said, wait a minute..that's a girl driving the car and not a guy as indicated. I would think, being that it was a minor infracation that they would resend the forms with the back up information and I would obviously take responsibility for it. It's the showing up at my door with an attitude that i don't quite get. It's also the asking of my B Permit, Drivers License, completing new forms and forcing me to sign which doesn't sit well with me that's all. From your post, it seems that they can also come to my job? well that's good to know. I had no idea that they have that much power even over something as minor as a speeding ticket. I broke the law by driving 11KM over the limit in a 50km zone and I'm sorry, and I will take responsibility for it; I just wanted to find out if that is the way things work around here and apparently it's common place and I just have to suck it up deal with it or pack my bags. But I do thank you for your post though, I had no idea that they could also come to my job. wow!
Seriously? The policeare not mindreaders they don't know the motives of every person here. Firstly had you turned the letter over you would've seen the payment slip. And secondly he didn't come because of the minor traffic fine. He came due to your husband possibly covering up you driving without a license or being here illegal etc.....

They can't come to your home, they can't come to your work. When do you expect them to ask you questions and verify the driver's identity?

I also can't help wondering if his attitude was caused by the attitude of the person opening the door......

You didn't even unconditionally admit to driving too fast you had to put apparently in front of it
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