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Re-boarding a train, it is possible?

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If one is taking a train from Geneva to Zurich via Bern-Olten, could he/she step out in Bern, buy something and then take a later train from Bern to Zurich on the same day using the same ticket?

I would logically see no problem with it, ticket is paid for and valid for one day, no? But I know how "sweet" the inspectors could be, so just want to be on the safe side.
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Re: Re-boarding a train, it is possible?

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Old 10.10.2012, 16:37
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Actually, I don't think so. I've got nothing to back it up, but I recall hearing stories of people getting fined for that. If nothing else, it's worth asking at the ticket counter.
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Actually, I don't think so. I've got nothing to back it up, but I recall hearing stories of people getting fined for that. If nothing else, it's worth asking at the ticket counter.
No I am sure its fine.

Its a 24 hour ticket.

Like the tram tickets, good for an hour or good for a day. You would not buy an hour tram ticket to head into the city, spend 30mins shopping and buy another going back, you would use the same one.

Same principle applies.

Sometimes you have to change in Bern anyway to go to Geneva so often have to leave a train I believe.

In anycase, I guess the question is why not? I cant think of anything as to why there would be an issue with this. What is the SBB losing out on? Or are we assuming they would want a passenger who has purchased a ticket for a full fare, but travelled only half that fare, to purchase the 2nd half again cause he had a break in the middle?
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Re: Re-boarding a train, it is possible?

At least for online-bought tickets, it's valid 1 whole day written here (click on tab "validity") in black and white, regardless of distance.
I also recall asking a "controlleur" once who told me it was perfectly fine to leave the train, then reboard later, as long as you're going in the same direction and not taking a detour of course. I've often advised my dad who was visiting to do that when travelling Gva Airport-Lausanne and he never had any issue.
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Like the tram tickets, good for an hour or good for a day. You would not buy an hour tram ticket to head into the city, spend 30mins shopping and buy another going back, you would use the same one.
I was once told off for using such a ticket to return to my original destination in Luzern, they didn't fine me, the ticket guy was actually quite nice and just ran off the bus and got me another ticket as I played a genuinely confused tourist. It might just be a Luzern thing.

Regarding OPs question though, it's fine, but you should continue using the same route you bought the ticket for, I once got caught on a return journey as I took a faster train home that went a different route.
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Re: Re-boarding a train, it is possible?

in the UK there are cases where you are definitely not allowed to break your journey.

for day tickets without a specific route, obviously you can take whatever trains you want.

but i can imagine the possibility of being in trouble if you break your journey, particularly if your ticket was already stamped once when the second inspector comes along...

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Re: Re-boarding a train, it is possible?

I think the best would be to ask at the ticket counter, though I would be very surprised if they tell me I can't! I will let you all know what they tell me in all cases
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I was once told off for using such a ticket to return to my original destination in Luzern, they didn't fine me, the ticket guy was actually quite nice and just ran off the bus and got me another ticket as I played a genuinely confused tourist. It might just be a Luzern thing.

Regarding OPs question though, it's fine, but you should continue using the same route you bought the ticket for, I once got caught on a return journey as I took a faster train home that went a different route.
Really? What, on the basis your 1 hour ticket was from A to B and not from B to A?

Interesting.

I was of the impression that the hour ticket are good for their zones for an hour and that, if you wanted to, you could ride back and forth all you want within that hour.

I am curious though about tickets that are about to expire, time wise, when you are still on the train/bus/tram. This happend to me the other day, my tickets was a few mins away from expiring and I was a few minutes further away from my destination. The inspector got to me, made a comment that I was close and laughed, but it was fine. I actually got to my destination 3 or 4 mins after expiry. So, was I technically ticketless for that last bit? Or does it count when you board the train?
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Re: Re-boarding a train, it is possible?

According to http://www.sbb.ch/en/station-service...r-journey.html (T600 - Allgemeiner Personentarif) it is perfectly fine ...
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I am curious though about tickets that are about to expire, time wise, when you are still on the train/bus/tram. This happend to me the other day, my tickets was a few mins away from expiring and I was a few minutes further away from my destination. The inspector got to me, made a comment that I was close and laughed, but it was fine. I actually got to my destination 3 or 4 mins after expiry. So, was I technically ticketless for that last bit? Or does it count when you board the train?
From what I know, you have to be off the train/bus/tram by the time your ticket expires. So if you board and have 3 minutes left on your ticket, you should arrive in the next 3 minutes. At least in Lausanne it's like that.

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Really? What, on the basis your 1 hour ticket was from A to B and not from B to A?

Interesting.

I was of the impression that the hour ticket are good for their zones for an hour and that, if you wanted to, you could ride back and forth all you want within that hour.

I am curious though about tickets that are about to expire, time wise, when you are still on the train/bus/tram. This happend to me the other day, my tickets was a few mins away from expiring and I was a few minutes further away from my destination. The inspector got to me, made a comment that I was close and laughed, but it was fine. I actually got to my destination 3 or 4 mins after expiry. So, was I technically ticketless for that last bit? Or does it count when you board the train?
My understanding is that you don't buy a ticket for an hour rather for a journey which must be started within that hour. I think the VBZ only shows your eligible zones show they don't really know how many times you've ridden.

Other transport companies additionally write down your start station so if they see your heading back to it I think you'll have a problem
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Re: Re-boarding a train, it is possible?

Some short-journey tickets in Zurich show the 'start' time and some show the 'end' time. Either way, it normally indicates the departure point and a time, which makes it very easy for an inspector to check that you are using the ticket for a 'one way' journey.

I'm pretty sure you wouldn't have a problem if you had a 24 hour ticket for a train that normally stopped in Bern, got off the train and then got on again later to complete your journey.

However, I normally print an itinerary and show that to the ticket sales officer, and have definitely been told once or twice, for specific journeys where we are 'breaking' the normal journey and taking a detour or similar, that we would need to tell the ticket person that is what we were planning to do, and they don't put the hole in the ticket on the first leg of the journey...

It might be worth, on your journey between Geneva and Zurich, to tell the person that you are planning to take a break in Bern, and they might not click your ticket on the first leg of the journey...
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If one is taking a train from Geneva to Zurich via Bern-Olten, could he/she step out in Bern, buy something and then take a later train from Bern to Zurich on the same day using the same ticket?

I would logically see no problem with it, ticket is paid for and valid for one day, no? But I know how "sweet" the inspectors could be, so just want to be on the safe side.
It is fine as long as you tell the ticket inspector of the first train.

The place he clips the ticket has a meaning, so for example a clip on the top means something different to a clip on the left-hand edge. The inspector will clip the ticket differently telling the next inspector that it's okay for you to re-board.
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Re: Re-boarding a train, it is possible?

Perfectly fine. You are allowed to take any train from point A to B.
e.g. You can take a "slow" regio from Geneva to Lausanne, then S-Bahn to Palézieux, then something to go till Freiburg and so on.
No one will do that ofcourse.
But the point is, you can take any train at any time untill mid night of the date printed on your ticket.
The only thing to make sure is the "route" should be most direct (But its perfect to take via Bern or via Biel for Geneva-Zurich route) and should be in direction of your destination (i.e. Geneva-Bern-Lausanne-Biel-Zurich is not allowed)
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Re: Re-boarding a train, it is possible?

If still in doubt, take an online ticket, print two copies, give the first one to the inspector of the first train, get down at Bern, do your shopping, board a train from Bern which starts in Bern (or atleast does not come from Geneva) and give the second copy to the other inspector. If the second one askes anything (Why no stamp from Geneva), just tell them no one came to you for stamping (Perfectly possible during rush hour)
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Re: Re-boarding a train, it is possible?

In Luzern it's only good for one trip
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Really? What, on the basis your 1 hour ticket was from A to B and not from B to A?

Interesting.

I was of the impression that the hour ticket are good for their zones for an hour and that, if you wanted to, you could ride back and forth all you want within that hour.

I am curious though about tickets that are about to expire, time wise, when you are still on the train/bus/tram. This happend to me the other day, my tickets was a few mins away from expiring and I was a few minutes further away from my destination. The inspector got to me, made a comment that I was close and laughed, but it was fine. I actually got to my destination 3 or 4 mins after expiry. So, was I technically ticketless for that last bit? Or does it count when you board the train?
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in the UK you are definitely not allowed to break your journey.
Putting my train-geek hat on, this is definitely not true, with two exceptions. If you have an advanced ticket that is valid only on a specific train, you must use that train (but if it involves connections that are not specified, then you can break your journey on the connections [1]). Certain period returns (the "Off peak return" that used to be called "saver return") is not valid for break of journey on the outward trip, but is on the return leg (I've never understood why, but that's the rule). Moreover, if you have a ticket that is valid for a long period (most longer distance returns are valid for 1 month), you can break your journey for any length of time provided you complete your journey within the period. For example, if I buy an "off peak return" from Cambridge to Birmingham, I have to travel to Birmingham in one go, but on the way back, I could spend 3 days in Leicester and another 2 days in Peterborough on the way back.

On SBB-CFF-FFS, tickets do permit breaks of journey. For a single, you have to complete your journey the same day. For returns, there is a certain distance below which returns are valid only on the same day, but for longer distances, you can return a few days later (I think it's one month, but I'd have to look it up, it's on the SBB website, including in English). I don't know if these returns allow a more-than-one-day journey, but you can definitely do what you describe, getting off for a couple of hours and continuing later the same day.

[1] eg I buy an advanced purchase ticket from Canterbury to Leeds that is for a specific London - Leeds train, but any Canterbury - London train, I can break my journey on the Canterbury to London portion, provided I get the correct London - Leeds train.
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Putting my train-geek hat on, this is definitely not true, with two exceptions. If you have an advanced ticket that is valid only on a specific train, you must use that train (but if it involves connections that are not specified, then you can break your journey on the connections [1]). Certain period returns (the "Off peak return" that used to be called "saver return") is not valid for break of journey on the outward trip, but is on the return leg (I've never understood why, but that's the rule). Moreover, if you have a ticket that is valid for a long period (most longer distance returns are valid for 1 month), you can break your journey for any length of time provided you complete your journey within the period. For example, if I buy an "off peak return" from Cambridge to Birmingham, I have to travel to Birmingham in one go, but on the way back, I could spend 3 days in Leicester and another 2 days in Peterborough on the way back.

On SBB-CFF-FFS, tickets do permit breaks of journey. For a single, you have to complete your journey the same day. For returns, there is a certain distance below which returns are valid only on the same day, but for longer distances, you can return a few days later (I think it's one month, but I'd have to look it up, it's on the SBB website, including in English). I don't know if these returns allow a more-than-one-day journey, but you can definitely do what you describe, getting off for a couple of hours and continuing later the same day.

[1] eg I buy an advanced purchase ticket from Canterbury to Leeds that is for a specific London - Leeds train, but any Canterbury - London train, I can break my journey on the Canterbury to London portion, provided I get the correct London - Leeds train.
look's like there is no easy rule:

http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=26892
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In Luzern it's only good for one trip
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Your English comment and your German Quote are not in correspondence with each other.

The German says: "for any number of trips in any direction within the time limit"

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I am curious though about tickets that are about to expire, time wise, when you are still on the train/bus/tram. This happend to me the other day, my tickets was a few mins away from expiring and I was a few minutes further away from my destination. The inspector got to me, made a comment that I was close and laughed, but it was fine. I actually got to my destination 3 or 4 mins after expiry. So, was I technically ticketless for that last bit? Or does it count when you board the train?
Actually, if your ticket is valid till 3:24 and your are still on bus/train/tram on 3:25 you will no longer have a valid ticket and may get fined. Unless, there was a delay and the time of arrival would have been within the tickets validity (but I am not 100% sure about that). Also be careful about the other why round a 9-o-clock ticket is valid from 9:00 sharp, if the train is scheduled to leave at 8:59 you may not board the train.
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